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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    What's he been doing in that closet all these years?
    Hanging out with Tom Cruise, and John Travolta.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I don't know many gay people that can marry a woman, much less, father 4 children...I guess at most, he could be bi.
    My mom's best friend was gay. Everybody knew it, but they all thought that it was a sin, and he 'lost the battle'. They had three children. They were together until the day he died.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jesus makes it very clear that those who follow Him and aspire to His Kingdom have an obligation to obey and uphold God's law. He is saying that we cannot diminish from the law of God by even a jot or tittle (sermon on the mount.) This is in direct contradiction to your statements.

    'God made them male and female.' 7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.'

    Notice he did not say...

    "God created them male and male. For a man shall leave his father and be joined to his husband, and the two shall become one flesh"

    Not to mention what Paul wrote. People seem to take what he/she wants from the Bible, and leaves the rest if it does not agree with the secular view. This is wrong according to scripture.

    Paul was a true profit, and his word was God's law and he clearly (as you mentioned) states which is which. You can ignore it, and follow the worldly path, but as I have shown, that is not correct according to scripture.

    I guess we are done as you have yet to answer or reply to the scripture I posted, or address my answers other than to say you don't agree with no evidence.

    So I will agree to disagree and not hijack the thread any longer.

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    What you write above seems more you reading your view into those words. Those words are not as clear as you think. He speaks to a majority, but does nto go as far as you do in your assumption. You may be right, but you may also be wrong. After all, if as many believe homosexuals are born with that predisposition, then they too were created by God. As God also states in Gen. 2:18 that it is not good for man to be alone, we should not expect the homosexual to suffer needlessly.

    I don't mind a little diversion now and again, so thanks for the effort. But we do disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    The problem with this is that the dietary laws of the Old Testment were specifically repealed. There is no contradiction in that. Nothing in the Bible, to my knowledge, states that sexual sins are suddenly ok.

    ...just wanted to correct you on that point. Carry on.
    We can pick others. And if you're reading, I say the Bible says nothing about homosexuality. The sin notion is either linked to pagan rituals or added, like in Romans, by King James. I gave a link for an overview of this, buit a more complete look might require going to a library and reading books written on this.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    This is not necesssarily all that noble. This guy lies somewhere on the scale from gay as hell to bi-sexual to a testerone monster. You cannot do much to change where you end up on that scale but we certainly have choices in sexual behavior. I seriously don't think everyone needs to explore the gay and hetero side of that equation to be fulfilled in life. I wish things would have been different for him when he was younger but he made a commitment and if he could live with it for 21 years it was still his choice to continue the commitment or not. If he now plans to have sex with men then indeed coming out publicly was necessary in his position. But if he planned to continue to live according to the teachings of his church it is irrelevant.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    This is not necesssarily all that noble.
    You don't think it takes balls of steel for the pastor of a fundy church to come out as gay? The nobility has to do with the fact that he could have easily continued living a double life, but he chose not to. I think 21 years of being a traitor to yourself is hell enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    You don't think it takes balls of steel for the pastor of a fundy church to come out as gay? The nobility has to do with the fact that he could have easily continued living a double life, but he chose not to. I think 21 years of being a traitor to yourself is hell enough.
    I guess we could consider it balsy which is not the same as noble. Especially if he indeed actually lived a double life I think it is important to separate actions from feelings and desires. I don't consider him to be a traitor to himself if he was living with his choices despite the fact that his choices were influenced by societal attitudes. By all accounts his wife and children love him and he became a leader and probably helped a lot of people. Sounds like a very fulfilling life that we don't have to measure by what he missed not living gay. We don't completely know his motives but maybe there are a couple of lessons to learn. Maybe one of them is that gay people are now the ones putting way too much importance on sexual orientation. It's the new intolerance.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I guess we could consider it balsy which is not the same as noble. Especially if he indeed actually lived a double life I think it is important to separate actions from feelings and desires. I don't consider him to be a traitor to himself if he was living with his choices despite the fact that his choices were influenced by societal attitudes. By all accounts his wife and children love him and he became a leader and probably helped a lot of people. Sounds like a very fulfilling life that we don't have to measure by what he missed not living gay. We don't completely know his motives but maybe there are a couple of lessons to learn. Maybe one of them is that gay people are now the ones putting way too much importance on sexual orientation. It's the new intolerance.
    There's no such thing as "too much importance". People want to make it less than, they are then forced to make it more than. It's not a choice. He is who he is, and he denied who he was for literally decades. Nobody should have to live a lie. Not even for the people they love.

    P.S.: Funny I just posted this, then read an article regarding Ricky Martin coming out:

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b208...mily_life.html

    "Before I decided to become a father, I already accepted who I was. I was happy with who I was. When I held my children, I said, OK, it was time to tell the world."

    But he wasn't prepared for the emotions that came with clicking "send" on the blog post heard round the world.

    "I felt relieved," he said, adding that he could not stop the floods of tears that came after he revealed he was gay. "I felt free, I felt liberated, I could finally say I loved myself completely.



    Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b208...#ixzz149BkLGzE
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Good for Ricky Martin. Let's treat everyone as individuals and not people who have to follow a certain script.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Good for Ricky Martin. Let's treat everyone as individuals and not people who have to follow a certain script.
    Yup, that's my point. You think the pastor's script is to stay closeted and keep his mouth shut.

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