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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

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    Jesus affords divorce in the event of adultery, so yes, the faithfull spouce can be both involved with braking up a marriage and innocent at the same time.
    Jerry I love you man but... that has nothing to do with my point or anything I have mentioned at all.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    The fact that he came out and said homosexuality was not unnatural is admirable but regardless, he's spent his life preaching against it. He's a member of a religion that advocates that homosexuality is somehow wrong. I'm not going to pretend like he's doing something he should be absolved of a sin from, pun intended. He came out, he led a double life for years and now is working so as not to destroy the family he has. That's it. People need to stop painting this guy as being braver different from the thousands of kids who are gay and live in the most homophobic of communities in 'Christian' America.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fact that he came out and said homosexuality was not unnatural is admirable but regardless, he's spent his life preaching against it. He's a member of a religion that advocates that homosexuality is somehow wrong. I'm not going to pretend like he's doing something he should be absolved of a sin from, pun intended. He came out, he led a double life for years and now is working so as not to destroy the family he has. That's it. People need to stop painting this guy as being braver different from the thousands of kids who are gay and live in the most homophobic of communities in 'Christian' America.
    Yea right, we only WISH homosexuals lived in ghettos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Did he have to? I mean "let not man separate" is pretty clear. No one can redefine or break up a marriage without being involved in sin, period. Homosexuality by it's very nature is a sin as two men cannot be married according to this quote. This means any same sex couple is guilty of fornication at least.



    We will, that would be interesting.
    I don't buy the redefine part. Not the same as breaking up, and I think the clarity is in the breaking up, and not the defining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    Well, you are off the hook entirely. We are clearly instructed as Christians not to be in the conviction business, but to have discernment. Conviction, or judgment is more than subtly different than discernment, and it is not ours to do.
    I think far too many do judge, but I mean it in another context. I mean that I'm not ready to concede it is a sin. Especially today. Remember eating pork was once a sin, and there was a very practical reason for it as it could kill you. As we improved our ability to avoid that harm, it no longer was considered sin. In any case, with no clear or unchallenged clarity on this issue in the Bible, I'm not reaady to accept with absolute certainty that it is a sin.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why is any of this a problem? His wife knew going in, and there are no "victims" here, so why be upset or sick of it?
    Why is this anyone's business is a better question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    If the Bible was not meant to be absolutely, then does that mean that we are interpreting a dead bible??!?

    I hate having to argue whether something as big and as universal as the bible is absolute or not because, obviously, it covers too many topics to simply say "nah, it doesn't mean this at all!" or w/e. where it is absolute, it is absolute, and where it's not, it's not. Period.
    That that is absolute is dead. Being alive means change.

    Many argue with me that the Bible is the final word, unchanging, covering all aspects of life that has ever been and ever will be. I say it is a beginning, something we build on and add too and sometimes take away (the pork thing comes to mind). It is not ridged or unbending, but meant to provide concepts and lead us on our journey.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Why is this anyone's business is a better question.
    Because he is not only the head of the church, but the spiritual leader of said congregation. The moment he made this public, He made it his congregation and religions business.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That that is absolute is dead. Being alive means change.

    Many argue with me that the Bible is the final word, unchanging, covering all aspects of life that has ever been and ever will be. I say it is a beginning, something we build on and add too and sometimes take away (the pork thing comes to mind). It is not ridged or unbending, but meant to provide concepts and lead us on our journey.
    If the journey leads to a place contrary to God's word, then you arrived at the wrong place.

    Matthew 7:13 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

    Edit: I look forward to your reply as your views (even if I do not agree) are very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If the journey leads to a place contrary to God's word, then you arrived at the wrong place.

    Matthew 7:13 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."
    Ahhh, but what does that mean? Eating too much will lead me to distruction. Sounds like a warning many could make today.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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