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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Were men made to have sex with every woman on earth? Straight Christians struggle against straight thoughts too. This pastor has chosen a path of sinful perversion and should not be allowed to serve as a pastor. It would be like having an adulterer leading a church as a pastor and saying sexual immorality is not sinful.
    This is what I like about sin. It's a category that you can use to compare vastly different things on equal moral terms. If I tried to argue that murder and homosexuality were more or less the same, then people would think I had lost it. Obviously murder is the taking of a person's life, it is an act where one individual violates the rights of another and homosexuality typically occurs between consenting adults. But if I argue that homosexuality and murder are both sins, then I can treat them as exactly equal. A sin is a sin, and a homosexual is no different than a murderer. It's fun. Then of course, arguing things like adultery, where one person violates the trust of their partner, is the same as homosexuality is easy as well. Where it gets complicated are those pesky sins that nobody takes seriously anymore, such as observing the Sabbath. If we want to be technical, all those pesky people who work at Wal Mart on the Sabbath are no better than the homosexual, adulterers, and murderers. So of course, then you need a church to come in and create special categories of sin, that are not discussed in the Bible, so that people continue to take some sins seriously. It is definitely an amusing thing to observe.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This is what I like about sin. It's a category that you can use to compare vastly different things on equal moral terms. If I tried to argue that murder and homosexuality were more or less the same, then people would think I had lost it. Obviously murder is the taking of a person's life, it is an act where one individual violates the rights of another and homosexuality typically occurs between consenting adults. But if I argue that homosexuality and murder are both sins, then I can treat them as exactly equal. A sin is a sin, and a homosexual is no different than a murderer. It's fun. Then of course, arguing things like adultery, where one person violates the trust of their partner, is the same as homosexuality is easy as well. Where it gets complicated are those pesky sins that nobody takes seriously anymore, such as observing the Sabbath. If we want to be technical, all those pecky people who work at Wal Mart on the Sabbath are no better than the homosexual, adulterers, and murderers. So of course, then you need a church to come in an create special categories of sin that are not discussed in the Bible so that people continue to take some sins serously. It is defninlty an amusing thing to observe.
    Sin is sin, but where did I bring in murder? I would say some sins are more "severe" than others, but all sin is wrong. I think it's sad that many Christians excuse some sins as "ok." But how is this relevant? This pastor is going directly against God's word and openly living in sin and still serving as a pastor. This isn't right. Say you had a band of militant atheists, and their leader openly confessed that he has become a Christian. Should he still lead the group?
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Do they now? That must be why we have so many different sects of Christianity, many of which have a history of killing each other.
    And humanist sects have done exactly the same thing on a much larger scale. So what? That is just human nature and using God as an excuse. In fact AGAIN it directly contradicts what the Bible teaches, period.

    Do you want to address my actual replies? or are you going to continue with rants that just make me repeat myself over and over?

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    Money and power is definately nothing to gain. I'm sure when Joseph Smith was translating his holy book out of a hat he had "nothing" to gain. That is why his church is one of the most powerful and wealthiest in the world now. Funny how that works.
    Mormons are not Christians. They did not even call themselves that until recently to gain more public acceptance. This is a known fact.

    Joseph Smith was a known con-man and the "Book of the Mormon" is historically inaccurate to a large degree. Another fact.

    So yes he did exactly what you are saying, as did L Ron Hubbard with Scientology. This is nothing but a Red Herring as it has nothing at all to do with the original church of Christ.

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    Those darn Christians, so unlike ther Christ.
    Are you going to make a valid point?

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    Oh yes, because stoning adulterers and homosexuals is all in a day of God's work.
    Back in the time if the Israelites, it was the law. This again has no bearing at all on modern Christians and is just another red herring.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Sin is sin, but where did I bring in murder? I would say some sins are more "severe" than others, but all sin is wrong. I think it's sad that many Christians excuse some sins as "ok." But how is this relevant?
    I'm just pointing out something I find funny. I just imagine that one day practicing homosexuality will join the long list of sins like "not observing the Sabbath" that have been deemed to be so much less "severe" than the other sins. Of course, I'm sure that Christians believe that the world will suddenly come to an end when such a thing occurs and that the world will suddenly be horribly wicked for allowing gays to live their lives in a way that doesn't really hurt anyone but which violates the sexual norms. Christians are certainly an entertaining bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I've never been one who enjoys being told what to do by people who know less than me
    Especially when writing, use "know less than I," not "know less than me."

    "I've never been one who enjoys being told what to do by people who know less than I [know]"
    "I've never been one who enjoys being told what to do by people who know less than I [do about...]"

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm just pointing out something I find funny. I just imagine that one day practicing homosexuality will join the long list of sins like "not observing the Sabbath" that have been deemed to be so much less "severe" than the other sins. Of course, I'm sure that Christians believe that the world will suddenly come to an end when such a thing occurs and that the world will suddenly be horribly wicked for allowing gays to live their lives in a way that doesn't really hurt anyone but which violates the sexual norms. Christians are certainly an entertaining bunch.
    Many Christians in the US have atrophied to force Biblical truth to conform to wickedness and what they want the Bible to say. I find your disrespect of Christians to be offensive. I'm willing to debate rationally and respectfully, I only ask for the same in return.
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    Mormons are not Christians. They did not even call themselves that until recently to gain more public acceptance. This is a known fact.

    Joseph Smith was a known con-man and the "Book of the Mormon" is historically inaccurate to a large degree. Another fact.

    So yes he did exactly what you are saying, as did L Ron Hubbard with Scientology. This is nothing but a Red Herring as it has nothing at all to do with the original church of Christ.
    So let me get this right...people could con other people into believing a religion they concocted and they could profit immensely from it...but the immensely powerful and wealthy Catholic Church and their preceding religious leaders did not do this because they were...immune to such ambitions? Hm....you really do have to appreciate the gullibleness of human nature.

    Are you going to make a valid point?
    Certainly. Anyone who makes Christinaity look bad is not a Christian.

    Back in the time if the Israelites, it was the law. This again has no bearing at all on modern Christians and is just another red herring.
    You say it is relevant then you say it isn't. It's convienent when you can pick when an idea expressed in the Bible is relevant to your argument and when it is not.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    To clarify something:

    I do not take issue with Mormons at all. Some of the finest people I have ever met. I do however take issue with some of the practices of the church of LDS, and the writings of Joseph Smith. So take it for what it is.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Especially when writing, use "know less than I," not "know less than me."

    "I've never been one who enjoys being told what to do by people who know less than I [know]"
    "I've never been one who enjoys being told what to do by people who know less than I [do about...]"
    Well if the ancient Hebrews knew more about modern English grammar than I do, then I guess you have a point.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Many Christians in the US have atrophied to force Biblical truth to conform to wickedness and what they want the Bible to say. I find your disrespect of Christians to be offensive. I'm willing to debate rationally and respectfully, I only ask for the same in return.
    Do you work on the Sabbath by chance? I'm just curious how wicked you are.

    I mean obviously, I'm a wicked American who doesn't take some parts of the Bible as literally as you do.

    Funny how people can spout respect from one side of their mouth and condemnation from the other. It's good fun.
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