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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is according to the Bible. Since the Bible is the authority of his chosen religion, I am certain he knows this already.
    The behavior is the sin, not the atraction. How could be he guilty for something which he has no controle over (retorical question).

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    As long as he repents, and asks forgiveness, he can still stay on the path according to the Bible. In the end though, it is between him and God alone.
    If it's between him and God, he should have let it stay there. Now that he abandoned privacey and brought his bedroom out into the public, it's everyone's buisness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Dude. People are told that being gay is a choice, and that if they resist temptation, God will give them the victory. You call it hypocrisy for someone to do what the church told them to do and then finally realizing that no matter how much they resist temptation, God made them gay? Ridiculous.

    I get even more tired of posts like yours.
    It's like, hey, I'm atracted to women, therefore I can disregard any consept of right and wrong and go **** whomever I can because I can't controle what sex I'm atracted to. Forget about doing the right thing by an objective standard. Forget about doing right by my famiey, what kind of chaos my parsed attention, verying atitudes of girfriends and shoud I get one or more pregnant what having a step-parent would do to their lives. I can't controle being atracted to women and so I should be able to do as I please.

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    Struggling with gay thoughts is one thing, but living openly gay is another. This pastor is a hypocrite if he's saying homosexuality is ok and he's living that lifestyle. He's deceived and should not be in a position of church leadership.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The behavior is the sin, not the atraction. How could be he guilty for something which he has no controle over (retorical question).
    Not certain if this has anything to do with my comment, but I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If it's between him and God, he should have let it stay there. Now that he abandoned privacey and brought his bedroom out into the public, it's everyone's buisness.
    I was referring to the final judgment.

    As a public figure and a leader in the church, you are correct.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I like that. It tells you a lot about the nature of your God when he encodes sin into your DNA and then tells you to avoid it. That is the kind of absurdity that I find utterly delicious in this world.
    I think avoiding it is supposed to make a person stronger. The more effort you put forth, the closer you will be to God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Let us assume that I were a Jeffersonian Christian.
    No such thing. A Christian accepts Jesus as his/her savior and accepts the divinity of Christ.

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    In other words, if I followed the Jefferson Bible. How likely would I be to percieve homosexuality as a sin?
    You probably would not as you have already thrown out all the teachings of the Old Testament and 90% of the New Testament.

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    Furthermore, why would his Bible be any less valid than the one that was crafted by ancient religious leaders who were motivated by their own political ambitions?
    It was put together by man, but inspired by God.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Homosexuality is a sin. I think that is quite clear in the Bible. On the other hand, everyone is a sinner so it doesn't really serve us to come down on someone for sinning. In an ideal world it should be possible to be a gay Christian for this reason, or even a pastor. He showed some humility when he came out of the closet and it took a lot of guts to do that. I don't particularly like megachurches and half of the stuff they talk about, but I still know what it means to come out... and I'm not even someone who had to come out to my world wide network of peers. My family was hard enough.

    I realize we are talking about Christians here, but this still goes back to the idea of homosexuality as being a choice. If Christians could get past that, they would see that the pastor can't control who or what he is, and it shouldn't have a bearing on his good work. But... the whole reason why hate of gays exists is because of religion, and pretty much only religion.
    I think back in biblical times it may have been seen as unclean cause nobody had easy access to bathing and cleaning up. Sex in general probably created problems for men and women, especially women. Men weren't supposed to touch women when they were on their periods. Seems the Indians had that rule as well. Today, it's not that big of a deal.

    The pastor, as far as religion goes, can be gay all day, and as long as he doesn't act upon it, he hasn't sinned is how I would take it. But... he could also repent, or just be a believer, in some Christian groups, and he's good to go. Someone already mentioned that.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Until he renounces his Christianity, he'll get no applause from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I think avoiding it is supposed to make a person stronger. The more effort you put forth, the closer you will be to God.
    Should I avoid the color of my hair and the length of my fingers while I am at it? When it is encoded into who we are, it is no longer something we can avoid, and I cannot think of a supernatural being would be sadistic enough to do that to his creatons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Struggling with gay thoughts is one thing, but living openly gay is another.
    I've always found this term "struggling" with gay thoughts to be funny. It is amazingly arroagant to assume that people are fighting against who they are simply because you do not their behavior.

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