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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I also know that life did not get considerably better for man when he adopted Christianity. For instance, life expectancy and infant mortality did not considerably improve. However, the advent of medical science 150 years ago did change things quite dramatically for man and things like life expectancy and infant mortality drastically improved. Not to sound too sarcastic, but it would seem to me that God should have taken some time in his book to mention sanitation and antibiotics.
    God covered that in his old testament

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    One thing that trips me out about the Jews/Hebrews compared to other "ancient men" is their historical journey that was predicted from the beginnings of the Bible. They were deemed to be God's "chosen" people who were to usher in monotheism to the rest of the world. This was written back when almost the entire world was still polythiestic/pagan. And guess what happened? This small nomadic tribe did infact, somehow, end up spreading monotheism throughout the entire world. Then it is told that they will be repelled from their land by enemies, and then scattered, dispersed and persecuted. These things were being written from 500 B.C. and much earlier. As we know, these things came to pass when Rome sacked Jerusalem in AD 70 and the Jews lived scattered throughout Europe for the next 2000 years being persecuted almost everywhere they went. However, in those same prophetic scriptures it said the Jews would eventually get their land back one day. Now of course, anyone who lived before 1948 must have thought this was certainly a prediction that was wrong. After all, the Jews had not inhabited Israel (or Palestine as it was know for most of that time) for nearly 2000 years. But what happened? In 1948 they got their country back. As a student of History (I have my BA in History) I don't know of any other race or ethnic group that has survived 2,000 years in foreign lands without being assimilated into the culture of that land and fading away, and then, above all, getting their original country back after 2000 years! And to know that this was all written in old scriptures way before these events ever happened? I don't care if you believe in the Bible or not, any serious history student must admit those are significant anomalies in the study of history and anthropology.
    The Bible says the Bible predicts itself. You see nothing wrong with that strain of logic?

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    God covered that in his old testament
    Yes, don't touch a woman while she is menustrating is certainly comparable sanitation advice to don't dump your sewage into your drinking water.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yes, don't touch a woman while she is menustrating is certainly comparable sanitation advice to don't dump your sewage into your drinking water.
    Damn more than that, my closed-minded friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Damn more than that, my closed-minded friend.
    Not so much closed minded as open eyed. I believe your own religoin says we should judge a tree by its fruit.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The Bible says the Bible predicts itself. You see nothing wrong with that strain of logic?
    No because the "Bible" was not written by one person in one time era. Bible simply means "the books" and that's exactly what it is. These many books were written by over 40 people throughout a time period of anywhere from 1000-2000 years in different places. So earlier authors could make predictions about events and then authors writing hundreds of years later could record those events. Of course, the actual event of the reclaiming of Israel by the Jews wasn't recorded in the Bible since the last added writings were written 2000 years ago and the Israel became a nation again only 50 years ago. But that event was predicted in the Bible and no one else, not any other religion, scholar or politician could have seen that event taking place prior to World War II.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I also know that life did not get considerably better for man when he adopted Christianity.
    That's not necissarily true. The most unreligious century was the 20th century and coincidently it was also the bloodiest century in the history of the world. Nietzche, who was even more anti-religious than you, foresaw this, when he said that "god is dead" and suggested that due to the downfall of Christianity they world would see more violence and human rights violations than ever before. And he was right.
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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Orion, I'd have to disagree with you on that. For one thing, considering homosexuality to be a sin is not the same as hating gays. Hate is an emotional repugnance that carries connotations of a desire to do harm to the hated subject.

    I know people who hate gays and who are utterly non-religious.

    Hatred is rarely rational; it usually comes into being out of some sort of xenophobia, or a bad experience with a class of people, or similar things that result in a strongly negative emotional reaction being established as a habitual response. Justifications (rationalizations) then follow, based on whatever the hater thinks is a legitimate excuse.

    Hating people for being different is hardly a new thing, and far from exclusive to the religious.
    I'm not saying that all people who hate gays are religious; I am saying that hatred of gays came from religion. There is a difference. The fact that the non-religious hate gays simply means they don't know where the hate they were taught came from. It is from systemic indoctrination and it started with the Church. And let's look at the political trends, shall we? The only people still actively campaigning hard against gay rights are the religious right.

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    Re: Megachurch Pastor Comes Out Of Closet

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    That's not necissarily true. The most unreligious century was the 20th century and coincidently it was also the bloodiest century in the history of the world. Nietzche, who was even more anti-religious than you, foresaw this, when he said that "god is dead" and suggested that due to the downfall of Christianity they world would see more violence and human rights violations than ever before. And he was right.
    Actually that is statically false. Per capita, the 20th century was the least bloodiest and violent in human history. Here is a great video to explain that misconception in greater detail...


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