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Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

apdst said:
Again, I never saw a gay soldier prosecuted under Article 125, only straight soldiers. Never said anything about heavy enforcement.
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I, oth, have only seen two gay sailors prosecuted under Article 125, they were forced to serve their time on restriction and take the other punishments of their NJP and then, after this, they were processed out for being gay. I have never seen a heterosexual sailor charged with Article 125, although there might have been a couple charged that I didn't notice because of the other, more important issue of them doing whatever they were doing on the ship.

Article 125 needs to go away and is probably going soon after, if not when, gays are allowed to serve openly. The military should not be regulating how anyone has sex, as long as it is done in approved locations, it is consentual, and it is not considered fraternization or adultery, since both of these actually do have the potential to disrupt good order and discipline.
 
disneydude said:
Pentagon poll: Most U.S. troops are OK with gays in military | battlecreekenquirer.com | The Enquirer

An internal Pentagon study finds that most U.S. troops and their families don't care whether gays are allowed to serve openly and think the "don't ask, don't tell" policy could be dropped, the Associated Press reports, quoting officials familiar with its findings.

Now that the results of the Pentagon study are known I'm anxious to hear what the anti-gay folk have to say about ending DADT.

I'm particularly interested in hearing what Navy Pride has to say, especially since he has repeatedly said that if the men/women of the military were ok with gays, that he would be ok with gays in the military as well.

Lets hear what you have to say about the results of the Pentagon poll.
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:shrug: the poll didn't really address the actual issues involved with repealing DADT; it was just "how do you feel about homosexuals"? the results are therefore relatively unsurprising.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: the poll didn't really address the actual issues involved with repealing DADT; it was just "how do you feel about homosexuals"? the results are therefore relatively unsurprising.
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Let me get this right...the survey that the Pentagon created specifically to address the challenges of repealing DADT does not actually address the issues of repealing DADT?

This survey...

http://servicemembersunited.org/survey

...only asks how people feel about homosexuals?
 
disneydude said:
Nice try Navy...but it was your "Great and inspired world leader" and your Republican party that created this mess.....don't blame the Democrats because they haven't been able to clean it up fast enough.
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At what point does Hussein Obama start to take responsibilty for the miserable economy and unemployment? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? The American people are not buying the Blame Bush crap anymore...........Its your hero the socialist Hussein Obama..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Congress makes the laws not the president............
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The president can veto any legislation that Congress passes. If you want to point out some laws that the Democratic Congress made that overrode Bush's veto and contributed to the economic recession then I would be happy to see them. If not, then I recommend you take your boot out of your mouth.
 
Navy Pride said:
At what point does Hussein Obama start to take responsibilty for the miserable economy and unemployment? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? The American people are not buying the Blame Bush crap anymore...........Its your hero the socialist Hussein Obama..........
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I don't blame Obama for the bad economy at all because he had absolutely nothing to do with it...Do people fail to realize Obama created/saved millions of jobs with the Stimulus and Auto bailouts. Cutting taxes and then sitting on your hands waiting for a trickle effect isn't the answer, I wonder wear employment would be if McCain was in office. Surely you could kiss the hated Auto Bailouts and Stimulus goodbye which would lead to an unemployment of around 15%..I assume cutting the riches tax cuts would have fixed the economy overnight though right?
 
CriticalThought said:
Let me get this right...the survey that the Pentagon created specifically to address the challenges of repealing DADT does not actually address the issues of repealing DADT?
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here's what i'm seeing as i read through it:

have you served with a homosexual
did the fact that they were thought to be homosexual effect morale
did the fact that they were thought to be homosexual effect unit performance
can the chain of command both lead and enforce the rules
more morale questions
what would your family think
i found the question "do you think having homosexuals in your unit would have a greater impact than whether or not you had decent leadership" to be pretty funny" (would you say that having someone in your unit come out would be better, or worse than having your legs sawed off slowly with a dull blade? aha - the troops support repealing DADT!) ditto for the "would you move off-base" question :roll:
the "have you shared facilities and what did you do" question is sort of immaterial; to have done anything would have required launching criminal investigations of your bunk/shower mate.

i saw nothing, for example, on whether or not the troops considered mixed - gender units to suffer from discipline issues stemming from the natural sexual tension between men and women, whether they thought this would carry over to openly serving homosexuals (remember that all homosexuals in the military today are officially heterosexual), what they thought the impact would be on BAH issues, whether they thought that introducing homosexuals to all-male units (such as the infantry) would be disruptive at all.... i saw alot of... well, not 'false dichotomy' type questions, but the kind i made fun of above with the leg-saw thing. this poll was designed to produce a result and it did. and yeah, most of the questions were 'how would you feel about X'. which isn't the main issue with repealing DADT; feelings and attitudes aren't immaterial, but they aren't important; any chain of command will jump on those with both feet.
 
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Navy Pride said:
At what point does Hussein Obama start to take responsibilty for the miserable economy and unemployment? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? The American people are not buying the Blame Bush crap anymore...........Its your hero the socialist Hussein Obama..........
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Do you usually refer to people in a Middle Name Last Name format, skipping the first name?
 
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Navy Pride said:
At what point does Hussein Obama start to take responsibilty for the miserable economy and unemployment? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? The American people are not buying the Blame Bush crap anymore...........Its your hero the socialist Hussein Obama..........
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Nice try Navy...but your "Great and inspired world leader" and your Republican party is what got us into the mess that we are in....sure...Obama hasn't been able to do much to get us out if it, but you are fooling no one except yourself in trying to rescue the legacy of the disaster that you admire so greatly.
 
CriticalThought said:
The president can veto any legislation that Congress passes. If you want to point out some laws that the Democratic Congress made that overrode Bush's veto and contributed to the economic recession then I would be happy to see them. If not, then I recommend you take your boot out of your mouth.
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Its true the president can veto any bill the problem is the democratic congress is not going to bring to the floor any bills the republican president wants....
 
BCR said:
I don't blame Obama for the bad economy at all because he had absolutely nothing to do with it...Do people fail to realize Obama created/saved millions of jobs with the Stimulus and Auto bailouts. Cutting taxes and then sitting on your hands waiting for a trickle effect isn't the answer, I wonder wear employment would be if McCain was in office. Surely you could kiss the hated Auto Bailouts and Stimulus goodbye which would lead to an unemployment of around 15%..I assume cutting the riches tax cuts would have fixed the economy overnight though right?
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Before the stimulus unemployment was at 7%... after the stimulus it went up to 10% where it is now..............How did he save jobs?

You don't just cut taxes my left wing friend you cut spending...............
 
Navy Pride said:
Its true the president can veto any bill the problem is the democratic congress is not going to bring to the floor any bills the republican president wants....
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The President doesn't make laws so it doesn't matter what laws he wants.
 
disneydude said:
Nice try Navy...but your "Great and inspired world leader" and your Republican party is what got us into the mess that we are in....sure...Obama hasn't been able to do much to get us out if it, but you are fooling no one except yourself in trying to rescue the legacy of the disaster that you admire so greatly.
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I am sorry DD but the facts just don't show that to be the case.........Its true Bush spent like a drunken soldier but Hussein Obama and his crew has tripled what Bush has spent without any way to pay for it...........Why do you think the massacure of democrats is happening tomorrow? Hussein Obama is just lucky he is not on the ballot to or he would be out the door on his ass where he belongs........
 
Your Star said:
Yep, and I'm royally pissed Obama hasn't done this already.
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I can respect that.


See to me it never mattered where one soldier stuck his junk, in fact if I was overly concerned with it, wouldn't that be a little gay? :ssst:


I've always said, it's about serving your country, don't make your service about your genitalia, no one cares. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
Translation:

- False authority argument
- You don't know.
- You don't know.

You know, if you want to compare gays to criminals and terrorists why not just say so? Instead of pretending they're the same thing constitutionally. Which they are not.
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IOW, constitutional rights only count, when you agree with it?
 
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