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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, from my actual experience in the service, I'll say that you're wrong.
    I'm sure it must have been very common for you to come across black troops who had to choose between working with racists and openly gay soldiers.

    Was your experience in the service any different? Oh, wait...
    Well I guess I could take the word of the over 100,000 servicemen and women who replied to the Pentagon study survey. Or should I discount their thousands of opinions for your 1 opinion? Wow that is a difficult decision. Let me ponder that one a bit...
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    ever actually said I had a problem with racists serving, as long as they can do their job.wever, I definitely see where they are a bigger problem then gays serving openly. An openly gay man is not causing any harm to you or your soldiers whatsoever.

    It is your responsibility to show how a gay man serving openly would cause problems, that are not actually problems that are due to the intolerance of the other personnel. I have pointed out how a racist can cause problems. Where is your proof?

    You haven't actually addressed any of my comments. You have simply tried to insult me and repeated your own argument, with little to support it, over and over again.
    Oohhhhhhh, ok. Is that it?

    You agree with lifting the ban on illegal membership in an extremist orginization, as long as that person can do their job?

    Some of the hypocrisy is gone, if that's the case.
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm sure it must have been very common for you to come across black troops who had to choose between working with racists and openly gay soldiers.

    Well I guess I could take the word of the over 100,000 servicemen and women who replied to the Pentagon study survey. Or should I discount their thousands of opinions for your 1 opinoin? Wow that is a difficult decision. Let me ponder that one a bit...
    What's that have to do with the opinionated post that you just made?

    Nice try at triangulating, but...


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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's that have to do with the opinionated post that you just made?

    Nice try at triangulating, but...


    MASSIVE FAIL!
    Indeed. There was nothing opionated about your comment that black soldiers would choose to work with racists over openly gay soldiers. But boy oh boy, when I dared cite the Pentagon study which indicates that most soldiers simply don't care about serving with gay troops, that was really trippy. I'm sorry for confusing you with my evidenc...er...opinoin.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oohhhhhhh, ok. Is that it?

    You agree with lifting the ban on illegal membership in an extremist orginization, as long as that person can do their job?

    Some of the hypocrisy is gone, if that's the case.
    No, I don't. I can absolutely see the issue with someone declaring their membership, and therefore their adherence, of the values and beliefs of a bigoted, racist organization. It is not good. And if they aren't completely dedicated to those values or beliefs, then there is no need for them to be a member of such an organization.

    Being homosexual is not declaring biases or prejudices. It is doing exactly what heterosexuals are allowed to do now and has never been shown to cause harm to morale, discipline or unit cohesion. You show me some proof, and I'll change my position, otherwise you will have to just deal with what you see as hypocrisy. Eventhough it isn't. I have valid reasons for wanting certain people to not be able to serve. You don't.
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Somehow I think the black troops might have preferred the openly gay man.



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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Somehow I think the black troops might have preferred the openly gay man.

    You might just find out that black troops were more anti gay then the white ones...
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    And now just for fun:


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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I don't. I can absolutely see the issue with someone declaring their membership, and therefore their adherence, of the values and beliefs of a bigoted, racist organization. It is not good. And if they aren't completely dedicated to those values or beliefs, then there is no need for them to be a member of such an organization.

    Being homosexual is not declaring biases or prejudices. It is doing exactly what heterosexuals are allowed to do now and has never been shown to cause harm to morale, discipline or unit cohesion. You show me some proof, and I'll change my position, otherwise you will have to just deal with what you see as hypocrisy. Eventhough it isn't. I have valid reasons for wanting certain people to not be able to serve. You don't.
    So, you do support lifting the ban on memberships in extremist orgs? Am I following you correctly? I mean, you might as well go along with it. Those people are already serving, some with distinction. Timothy McVeigh served in the Army and was awarded the Bronze Star.

    What about the ban on membership in the Communist party?

    I'm just using your own logic. Doesn't seem to be working well for you.
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you do support lifting the ban on memberships in extremist orgs? Am I following you correctly? I mean, you might as well go along with it. Those people are already serving, some with distinction. Timothy McVeigh served in the Army and was awarded the Bronze Star.

    What about the ban on membership in the Communist party?

    I'm just using your own logic. Doesn't seem to be working well for you.
    No, I don't think we should lift that ban at all. It is not the same thing as being homosexual.

    And, no you aren't following my logic at all. If you were, you would be comparing homosexuals to heterosexuals, as they should be compared, not to people who choose to be in organizations that espouse hate and prejudice. And it is easily argued that a racist can change his ideals for the betterment of himself, while it has been proven to be harmful to "change" someone's sexuality. Unless you want to show research where a racist changing his beliefs is somehow harmful to his mental state or society?
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