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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

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    The KKK is officially listed as a terrorist orginization? Since when?
    Lol. Since 1870 at the very least.

    Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 1870 a federal grand jury determined that the Klan was a "terrorist organization".[46] It issued hundreds of indictments for crimes of violence and terrorism. Klan members were prosecuted, and many fled from areas that were under federal government jurisdiction, particularly in South Carolina.[47] Many people not formally inducted into the Klan had used the Klan's costume for anonymity, to hide their identities when carrying out acts of violence. Forrest ordered the Klan to disband in 1869, stating that it was "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace".[48] Historian Stanley Horn writes "generally speaking, the Klan's end was more in the form of spotty, slow, and gradual disintegration than a formal and decisive disbandment".[49] A reporter in Georgia wrote in January 1870, "A true statement of the case is not that the Ku Klux are an organized band of licensed criminals, but that men who commit crimes call themselves Ku Klux".[50]
    Your true allegiances are showing.

    As far as I know, the KKK has a constitutional right to exist, along with the Nazis and the Skin Heads.
    Sure they do, just as Al-Qaeda members in the U.S. can create a website and shutting it down would be a violation of their rights as guaranteed by the U.S. constitution. The minute they overstep what is possible within a constitutional framework they can no longer exist. The KKK can't advocate lynching blacks. They can't advocate killing Jews. They can't do any of the **** their "constitutional rights" would allow them if one were to be as ignorant as you of constitutional law.

    Obviously, you support the rights of some--as long as they fall inline with your politics--and **** on the constitutional rights of others.
    Yes, yes. That's exactly it. I support making every single soldier into a pink wearing, Sir Elton John loving member of the Village People.
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol. Since 1870 at the very least.

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    Your true allegiances are showing.



    Sure they do, just as Al-Qaeda members in the U.S. can create a website and shutting it down would be a violation of their rights as guaranteed by the U.S. constitution. The minute they overstep what is possible within a constitutional framework they can no longer exist. The KKK can't advocate lynching blacks. They can't advocate killing Jews. They can't do any of the **** their "constitutional rights" would allow them if one were to be as ignorant as you of constitutional law.



    Yes, yes. That's exactly it. I support making every single soldier into a pink wearing, Sir Elton John loving member of the Village People.
    So, in short, you're OK with any constitutionally protected group serving, openly, in the United States Military and support their right to do so 100%?

    BTW, what are my, "true allegiances"? Is this another, "white masters", comment?
    Last edited by apdst; 11-01-10 at 12:45 AM.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it illegal to be a member of the Crips, Bloods, of the Panthers? It isn't. Huh?
    It's not illegal to join a criminal gang. All criminal actions which one must engage in as a result of being in a gang however are. It's not illegal to join the Crips. It's illegal to commit a crime in order to join an organization. Do you know how kids join the Crips?
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, in short, you're OK with any constitutionally protected group serving, openly, in the United States Military and support their right to do so 100%?
    No, he's saying you have no idea what the constitution does and does not protect.

    Joining the KKK is a right. It's also a conscious choice that bars you from military service. You made the choice.

    Homosexuality is not a choice, so homosexuals should be judged as individuals.
    Last edited by Deuce; 11-01-10 at 12:48 AM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, in short, you're OK with any constitutionally protected group serving, openly, in the United States Military and support their right to do so 100%?
    All memberships are constitutionally protected. Being a terrorist or criminal is not. So what are we discussing? Whether gays, criminals and terrorists are all the same? Because legally, theoretically and realistically they're not even close to being the same.
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, he's saying you have no idea what the constitution does and does not protect.

    Joining the KKK is a right. It's also a conscious choice that bars you from military service. You made the choice.

    Homosexuality is not a choice, so homosexuals should be judged as individuals.
    Educate me! Last time I checked, the Constitution protected membership in the KKK, Nazis, Black Panthers and the Crips. Obviously, it doesn't protect any illegal activity, but it does protect simply being a member.

    Do you support the constitutional right of servicemen simply being members of these kind of groups? If not, then you know what you are.

    Simply being a member of these kinds groups doesn't make one a criminal. Or, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    All memberships are constitutionally protected. Being a terrorist or criminal is not. So what are we discussing? Whether gays, criminals and terrorists are all the same? Because legally, theoretically and realistically they're not even close to being the same.
    That's not at all what we're discussing. We're discussing constitutional rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, in short, you're OK with any constitutionally protected group serving, openly, in the United States Military and support their right to do so 100%?

    BTW, what are my, "true allegiances"? Is this another, "white masters", comment?
    Well no. It's another 'you're a homophobic ignoramus who doesn't have the first clue what the constitution actually protects and doesn't protect' comment.
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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not at all what we're discussing. We're discussing constitutional rights.
    Where is the constitutional right to serve in the military?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Poll: Most US troops OK with gays in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well no. It's another 'you're a homophobic ignoramus who doesn't have the first clue what the constitution actually protects and doesn't protect' comment.

    Your argument is crap, so you resort to name calling?

    Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's what I thought!
    Last edited by apdst; 11-01-10 at 12:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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