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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'



    Here ya go.
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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    What are you going to tell me next TurtleDude, the southern states seceded because of "states rights" and the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery? If you quote that godforsaken book "The South was Right", I quit.

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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    What are you going to tell me next TurtleDude, the southern states seceded because of "states rights" and the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery? If you quote that godforsaken book "The South was Right", I quit.
    I better buy a copy of the book and hope you are a Man/woman of your word

    states rights had as much to do with it as slavery and I bet money that most of the people who took up arms did so for their state rather than for slave owners (who weren't nearly enough to create a few dozen regiments)

    You might read some of the works of one of my old professors Michael F. Holt (currently U of Va)



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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Ummm...that's exactly what I said. The Southern Democrats were referred to as conservative Democrats. That's why I said good thing they (the conservatives) left the Democratic party and infiltrated the Republican party after the Civil Rights movement. They did this specifically because politicians like JFK and other Democrats who were turning more liberal were supporting the Civil Rights movement (although you are right, JFK could have done a lot more, he was too concerned with pleasing the southern good ol' boys at times).
    I was reading your post to mean that the Southern Democrats were not Democrats at all. There are still conservative Democrats - they didn't all just magically disappear into the nether world of conservatism during the time of the civil rights.

    I believe that generalizing any group is one of the major obstacles we face today, more so than ever before. From far left to far right - I still believe that there is still that middle ground where most of us humans with all our preconceived notions and biases (we ALL have them) try to muddle through and do the best we can. I believe that most of us fall somewhere in between; perhaps leaning more to the left, or more to the right on some issues; but I don't believe that any one group is the cause nor the cure for every issue we face today.

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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I better buy a copy of the book and hope you are a Man/woman of your word

    states rights had as much to do with it as slavery and I bet money that most of the people who took up arms did so for their state rather than for slave owners (who weren't nearly enough to create a few dozen regiments)

    You might read some of the works of one of my old professors Michael F. Holt (currently U of Va)
    Haha! I knew I had you pegged! Good ol' Boy much? Tell your dumb a** professor to read the "Corner-stone speech", by the Vice President of the Confederate States of AMerica on March 21, 1861 in which he lays out the Confederate cause for secession. He starts out by talking about terrifs and the senate and stuff. The he gets to the nitty gritty.

    "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea (he was referring to the Northern idea that slavery is morally wrong); its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Haha! I knew I had you pegged! Good ol' Boy much? Tell your dumb a** professor to read the "Corner-stone speech", by the Vice President of the Confederate States of AMerica on March 21, 1861 in which he lays out the Confederate cause for secession. He starts out by talking about terrifs and the senate and stuff. The he gets to the nitty gritty.

    "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea (he was referring to the Northern idea that slavery is morally wrong); its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
    you are starting to get silly. Good ol boy? hardly, my family included the first Union officer fired upon by the confederacy (have someone tell you who that was)

    and I am sure you have the academic credentials of Professor Holt.

    so tell me, why did all those poor whites suffer hardships fighting a far better armed and bigger Union army

    so some rich guy could own slaves?

    did Lee fight for the confederacy because he wanted to keep blacks enslaved or because he supported his state

    oh do tell since you apparently have more education on the subject than one of the leading ante-bellum historians in the entire United States



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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    while our newbie is googling Professor HOlt, I have to call it a night

    Maybe he can explain why so many southerners took up arms for rich slave owners



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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are starting to get silly. Good ol boy? hardly, my family included the first Union officer fired upon by the confederacy (have someone tell you who that was)

    and I am sure you have the academic credentials of Professor Holt.

    so tell me, why did all those poor whites suffer hardships fighting a far better armed and bigger Union army

    so some rich guy could own slaves?

    did Lee fight for the confederacy because he wanted to keep blacks enslaved or because he supported his state

    oh do tell since you apparently have more education on the subject than one of the leading ante-bellum historians in the entire United States
    Well I do have my BA in American History and I'm working on a Masters Degree in a related subject right now so don't doubt my knowledge. As for your question, I'll answer it with a question of my own, why do almost all poor whites in rural areas in the south vote for the Republican party, when Democratic financial policies and tax breaks clearly favor people who make under $65k a year, and Republican tax breaks and policies mostly favor people who make over $160k a year? You are right, the Civil War was a rich man's war. The rich land owners had all the poor whites fight for them by using the same fear mongering talking points that were used to get all of the conservatives hyped up about the Iraq War. Tell an uneducated southern boy that the North is trying to take over and change his way of life, he'll believe it, even if it is highly exaggerated. In actuality, the wealthy land owners didn't want their "peculiar institution" taken away by Northern Liberals.

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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are claiming to be helpless?
    No, I'm saying that many of the people demonized by conservatives are helpless. It makes me angry because I have a sense of right and wrong, not because I'm one of their victims.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what part of your existence creates a just claim on other peoples' wealth
    You have wealth because you live in a society that makes it possible, protects your rights, and provides you with an environment conducive to opportunity. That costs, and some of that cost involves protecting other people. But if you don't believe you need this country, and don't want to pay in return what it asks of you, you are always welcome to go try your luck in a country that asks nothing and provides nothing - but I wouldn't recommend it. There tend to be a lot of truck-mounted machine guns and child-soldiers in countries like that.
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    Re: Scientists Find 'Liberal Gene'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    while our newbie is googling Professor HOlt, I have to call it a night

    Maybe he can explain why so many southerners took up arms for rich slave owners
    So wait, you practically take up arms to defend the rich from tax cuts, your political culture has been shaped by the public campaigns of special interest groups manipulating you for profit...

    and this seems like a stretch. And I'm sorry, you don't carry yourself like much of an intellectual pro.

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