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    Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law : NPR

    "They talk [about] how positive this was going to be for the community," Nichols said, "the amount of money that we would realize from each prisoner on a daily rate."
    Wow...

    According to Corrections Corporation of America reports reviewed by NPR, executives believe immigrant detention is their next big market. Last year, they wrote that they expect to bring in "a significant portion of our revenues" from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency that detains illegal immigrants.

    In the conference room, the group decided they would turn the immigration idea into a model bill. They discussed and debated language. Then, they voted on it.

    "There were no 'no' votes," Pearce said. "I never had one person speak up in objection to this model legislation."

    Four months later, that model legislation became, almost word for word, Arizona's immigration law.
    : Dusts off hands:

    Guess thats that.

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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    One thing I didn't like about the NPR article is:
    "This is Wayne," he said. "I can only believe the opportunities at the federal level are going to continue apace as a result of what's happening. Those people coming across the border and getting caught are going to have to be detained and that for me, at least I think, there's going to be enhanced opportunities for what we do."

    Opportunities that prison companies helped create."

    NPR fails to recognize that is the illegals that create the opportunity. No illegal crossing, no need for more jail space. The prison company may just accomidate the demand.

    As far as lobby finances, maybe NPR should look who is funding canidates that oppose the AZ immigration law.
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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    NPR fails to recognize that is the illegals that create the opportunity. No illegal crossing, no need for more jail space. The prison company may just accomidate the demand.
    I think we should realize its the demand for cheap labor that incentivizes mexicans to cross.
    It's just morally sick that prison companies wrote a bill for their profit which was accepted and marketed to the people as a solution to illegal immigration. The core of the law was not to solve illegal immigration but jail people, in other words, an incentive to keep illegals coming in for the purposes of being jailed in the US.

    Capitalism at its finest.

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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I think we should realize its the demand for cheap labor that incentivizes mexicans to cross.
    It's just morally sick that prison companies wrote a bill for their profit which was accepted and marketed to the people as a solution to illegal immigration. The core of the law was not to solve illegal immigration but jail people, in other words, an incentive to keep illegals coming in for the purposes of being jailed in the US.

    Capitalism at its finest.
    I have to disagree. The law was written so as to allow local LE to better assist in the illegal problem. As far as cheap labor, Az passed a law 2 years ago targetting employers of illegals. What does Obama do, take AZ to court on that law also. It was a law that then Janet N (home land security) was governor. Ive got to ask, are not the majority of our laws if broken can result in jail time?
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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have to disagree. The law was written so as to allow local LE to better assist in the illegal problem. As far as cheap labor, Az passed a law 2 years ago targetting employers of illegals. What does Obama do, take AZ to court on that law also. It was a law that then Janet N (home land security) was governor. Ive got to ask, are not the majority of our laws if broken can result in jail time?
    No, it was to allow the Law Enforcement to herd illegals like cattle to be jailed for maximum time for the profit of other men. Incredible denial on your part, did you read the article? It was not to help the illegal problem, it was to create profit.

    As far as cheap labor, Az passed a law 2 years ago targetting employers of illegals.
    That doesn't address the fact that it is the demand for cheap labor that incentivizes their crossing. Making it illegal wont change the fact that a demand exists for it.

    I've got to ask, are not the majority of our laws if broken can result in jail time?
    Sure. Since when was incarceration 'smart' for most criminals. Half the people in jail are nonviolent minor drug offenders.

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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law : NPR



    Wow...



    : Dusts off hands:

    Guess thats that.
    How does that change the fact it is still a good law? I know since the KKK send their kids to school then that must mean sending your kids to school is bad.
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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    SE102.
    Did you consider the source of the article? I have lived in the southwest (az/nm) for much of my working life. You can spin what 1070 is anyway you like. It doesn't make it true. Many of us in AZ don't won't illegals, We will welcome legals. Do we need reform, yes. But to allow the numbers that cross our border each day for whatever reason has to stop.

    Show me where all (heck ever the majority) of illegals are hired? So, while AZ law is going through the courts, why isn't the Feds upholding federal immigration law?

    How is targeting employers who hire illegals not addressing the issue? Fine and throw enough employers in jail and they will quit hiring illegals. It is something Obama wants but takes Az to court anyway.

    IMO, you have no understanding of the illegal issue Arizona is facing and you have bought into the liberal spin done by NPR.
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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    SE102.
    Did you consider the source of the article? I have lived in the southwest (az/nm) for much of my working life. You can spin what 1070 is anyway you like. It doesn't make it true. Many of us in AZ don't won't illegals, We will welcome legals. Do we need reform, yes. But to allow the numbers that cross our border each day for whatever reason has to stop.

    Show me where all (heck ever the majority) of illegals are hired? So, while AZ law is going through the courts, why isn't the Feds upholding federal immigration law?

    How is targeting employers who hire illegals not addressing the issue? Fine and throw enough employers in jail and they will quit hiring illegals. It is something Obama wants but takes Az to court anyway.

    IMO, you have no understanding of the illegal issue Arizona is facing and you have bought into the liberal spin done by NPR.
    Hey, I totally agree that illegals are a problem in AZ, but I couldn't get my head around something until I saw this post. A big (I would say the biggest) problem illegals create is their drain on the economy; their access to the ER and social services costs money, and they don't pay taxes to cover it. I couldn't understand how jailing them solves this, doesn't that just mean that rather than only cover the costs they look for, we are assuming the entire cost of their existence? At least working illegals generally pay their own rent and buy their own food and other necessities. By jailing them, the taxpayer assumes the burden of the cost of their housing, food, clothing, entertainment, and (the biggie!) medical expenses! This never made any sense to me until reading the original post here, although taxpayers pay heavily for this, there are men in power who will get rich from it, now it makes sense. Please tell me if I'm missing something.
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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How does that change the fact it is still a good law? I know since the KKK send their kids to school then that must mean sending your kids to school is bad.
    .......what?

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    Re: Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    Arizonans have been played.
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