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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, I agree there is a difference in their function, but I don't see how it makes a difference whether the socialism is local or federal.
    Who is more likely to be available and open to discussion, a federal official in Washington, or a local official who lives down the street? If the police department in your town sucks, you can go to the person in charge to complain about it. If that doesn't work, you can move to a different town. If we have a single payer health care system, who do I even complain to in the first place? Then if I don't get satisfaction, where can I go to get away from the source of my dissatisfaction?

    I agree that there are many local public services that are necessary and that they are collectivist/socialist. I have much less of a problem having a collective agreement with my neighbor because at the end of the day, I choose my neighbors and can change them any time I please.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Who is more likely to be available and open to discussion, a federal official in Washington, or a local official who lives down the street? If the police department in your town sucks, you can go to the person in charge to complain about it. If that doesn't work, you can move to a different town. If we have a single payer health care system, who do I even complain to in the first place? Then if I don't get satisfaction, where can I go to get away from the source of my dissatisfaction?

    I agree that there are many local public services that are necessary and that they are collectivist/socialist. I have much less of a problem having a collective agreement with my neighbor because at the end of the day, I choose my neighbors and can change them any time I please.
    Well, that's interesting. I can't say I agree, I don't really see a difference between coercion whether it comes from down the street or three thousand miles away. Coercion is coercion.
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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I see no problem going back to the prebush tax cut rates. We did fine under them. I personally have no problem with a single payor system system as it would take it out of the workplace, allowing business to better compete with the rest of the world, who mostly have a universial payor (and most are not socialist). And no one is dicitating how much workers are paid, outside of minimum wage, which isn't new.

    Again, nonthing there is socialism.
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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I think "gravitas" is a codeword here for IQ.
    I think she has the IQ.... she is just lazy and therefore ignorant.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Palin doesn't have the huevos to be president. And I'm not saying that because she is a woman. I think Hillary Clinton probably has more huevos than her husband.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, that's interesting. I can't say I agree, I don't really see a difference between coercion whether it comes from down the street or three thousand miles away. Coercion is coercion.
    If I have a choice in the matter, is it still coercion? Do you see where I'm going with this?

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    If I have a choice in the matter, is it still coercion? Do you see where I'm going with this?
    Yeah, I get what you're saying. We can argue about the extent to which involuntary taxation is coercive. But my point is that it doesn't make a difference if the person who robs you lives down the street or across the country.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Yeah, I get what you're saying. We can argue about the extent to which involuntary taxation is coercive. But my point is that it doesn't make a difference if the person who robs you lives down the street or across the country.
    Constant competition among the states and cities for the best and brightest individuals, each having their own preferred level of government intervention is how we got to be a wold power in a relatively short period of time. By centralizing policies and power in Washington, we're losing what made us great...competition with ourselves. I'm sure you don't need me to explain this to you, but freedom is part of that. If a particular group of people want to pool their resources together in a socialist utopia, they should be able to go to town in their own community. That's not coercion.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    I agree with Rove. Sorry folks, but I think his strategic thinking is still something to be reckoned with.
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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    If a particular group of people want to pool their resources together in a socialist utopia, they should be able to go to town in their own community. That's not coercion.
    I think this is where we diverge. I don't think it's any different to say this about a town or country "pooling their resources for a socialist utopia." I can see the argument that a republican form of government is not coercive is the people are enfranchised, but if you look at it from another angle, what right does the majority have to dictate to the minority how it should spend its money? We could be talking about a 99% percent vote in favor of socialism, but even if one person doesn't consent, it's coercive for that person. Rights are being trampled on, what's the difference who does the trampling? Or where they live?

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