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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Really boo? Is that a serious answer or are you being silly again?
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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Really boo? Is that a serious answer or are you being silly again?
    Serious. It isn't socialism. By definition, it is not socialism. By looking at countries around the world, who are clearly not socialist countries, but still have uiniversal payors, we can conclude that having a Universal payor in healthcare is not socialism. Both ways of assessing it comes to the same conclusion, tackling healthcare with a universial payor is not equal to socialism.

    If I were being silly, I would say something like what you just said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    So what is it when a government controls the means of production of services like it would be with single payer?
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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    ...Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources...
    This describes, exactly, single payer health care. Public or common ownership of medical facilities and cooperative management of those facilities and allocation of resources. Thank you for spelling it out, now read your own words.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So what is it when a government controls the means of production of services like it would be with single payer?
    Health care is not means of production and services. Government would only be the payer. They would not be providing medicine or treating anyone. Just the payer. Taking in premiums and paying the bills, like any other payer.

    And in this country, we would have a two tier system, and those who could pay for more would buy more. There would be no control of production of services.

    At the end of the day, medicine is a public health concern and not a commodity. More along the lines of roads and less like a chair or a car or even a plumber. Public health effects all of us.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    This describes, exactly, single payer health care. Public or common ownership of medical facilities and cooperative management of those facilities and allocation of resources. Thank you for spelling it out, now read your own words.
    No, it doesn't. I explain above.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Ran across this and thought I'd post it before I left for the day:

    If the United States fails to democratically restructure its economy, we face a future of increased inequality and poverty. But the constant drumbeat of right-wing "socialist-baiting" makes it less likely that this administration will consider the public initiatives - such as investments in alternative energy, education, and health care - that could engender productive jobs at good wages.

    Reactionary forces have always utilized anti-socialism to oppose democratic reforms that constrain corporate power. Corporate America tried to red-bait Social Security, the GI Bill, and Medicare. But ordinary Americans rejected the politics of fear, and reforms passed that significantly improved the lives of average Americans. It will take Americans once again rejecting mindless anti-socialism to create sufficient support for the extensive reforms needed to address this deep and systemic economic crisis.

    Socialism And The Politics Of Fear - CBS News

    The Stanford Progressive

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Health care is not means of production and services. Government would only be the payer. They would not be providing medicine or treating anyone. Just the payer. Taking in premiums and paying the bills, like any other payer.

    And in this country, we would have a two tier system, and those who could pay for more would buy more. There would be no control of production of services.

    At the end of the day, medicine is a public health concern and not a commodity. More along the lines of roads and less like a chair or a car or even a plumber. Public health effects all of us.


    are you really this gullible? if the Government is the only payer, then it dictates who it pays.
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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it doesn't. I explain above.
    If you refuse to admit that single-payer health care is a socialist program by your own definition, there really isn't any point in having any sort of discussion with you. You will say the sky is not blue if it advances your agenda.

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    Re: Rove says Palin lacks ‘gravitas’ to be president

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    If you refuse to admit that single-payer health care is a socialist program by your own definition, there really isn't any point in having any sort of discussion with you. You will say the sky is not blue if it advances your agenda.
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