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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The answer is, and has always been, free market. You can't fix problems by just taking more money away from people. That just plugs one hole and creates ten more.

    Don't focus on the Tea Party "candidates" so much. This movement is just a faction of conservatives that is standing up to its own very flawed party and demanding that it adhere to its principles. Republicans in recent years have been so sensitive to media and pop culture characterizations that they've abandoned the ideals they were elected on. It's still the Republican party, but a shift back to core principles is needed to earn this faction's support.

    The first line of business will be to repeal all the incredible damage Obama has done, and start from there.
    I'll agree with you when it comes to not increasing taxes anywhere during tough economic times. We aren't out of the woods yet. But, I am not betting on Republicans fixing the budget deficit problem once we gain a stronger foothold from an economic standpoint either.

    From what I have seen regarding "core prinipals", Republicans won't touch things like Defense and Medicare. We can't afford to have a military as large as the one we do today if we aren't willing to pony up the related tax receipts. And we cannot continue funding Medicare/Medicaid with payroll receipts that only cover about 1/3 of the cost. So, it's going to take a bit more than "core principals" to get this train back on track for the future.

    I don't really see how a repeal would be effective considering Obama will surely veto anything that comes his way related to that. There will be a majority of Republicans in congress more than likely but it will probably be a very slim majority. I just don't see a 2/3rds vote being a realistic scenario. Please clue me in if you think I am mistaken.

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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by Taboon View Post
    I'll agree with you when it comes to not increasing taxes anywhere during tough economic times. We aren't out of the woods yet. But, I am not betting on Republicans fixing the budget deficit problem once we gain a stronger foothold from an economic standpoint either.

    From what I have seen regarding "core prinipals", Republicans won't touch things like Defense and Medicare. We can't afford to have a military as large as the one we do today if we aren't willing to pony up the related tax receipts. And we cannot continue funding Medicare/Medicaid with payroll receipts that only cover about 1/3 of the cost. So, it's going to take a bit more than "core principals" to get this train back on track for the future.

    I don't really see how a repeal would be effective considering Obama will surely veto anything that comes his way related to that. There will be a majority of Republicans in congress more than likely but it will probably be a very slim majority. I just don't see a 2/3rds vote being a realistic scenario. Please clue me in if you think I am mistaken.
    What we need is an entirely different kind of healthcare reform that will allow doctors to better control their costs and liability insurance expenses. Healthcare is unnecessarily expensive because of a constant deluge of frivilous lawsuits trying to suck money from doctors.

    I disagree entirely on the military being too big. It can't be big enough. That is the only thing that can keep China and Russia at bay for the foreseeable future.

    In terms of the new look of Congress, I think it'll take two cycles before we know. Tuesday will give both houses to the GOP, and next election will give them the presidency and potentially more seats. All depends if they learn this time and stick to core principles, and stop worrying about and placating the media in a useless attempt to try and get positive coverage (which they should know now will never happen). Prof can better detail the breakdown.

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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    [QUOTE=Erod;1059067860]I disagree entirely on the military being too big. It can't be big enough. That is the only thing that can keep China and Russia at bay for the foreseeable future.
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    Ok, this is where I start disagreeing with most Republicans. If we can't raise taxes, touch social security, medicare or defense we have to get rid of, I mean $0 allocated to, every other program that the government runs, completely. We have what is expected to be a $0.8 Billion to $1 Trillion deficit every year through 2020. Every other program that is not associated with Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Interest on our debt is right around $1 Trillion so there will be nothing left, not enough to run anything on anyway, for any other government progrom if we are to balance the budget. That means no:

    Department of Agriculture
    Commerce
    Education (Including any vouchers)
    Energy
    HHS
    Homeland Security
    Housing and Urban Development
    Interior
    Justice
    Labor
    Transportation
    Treasury
    Veterans Affairs
    NASA
    EPA
    SSA
    Etc, Etc, Etc

    I'm sure you are ok with getting rid of some of these, but are you ok with getting rid of them all? That is the question.

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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by Taboon View Post
    Blah, who cares who runs the show. Neither side is worth the used gum on the bottom of my shoe. Republicans will gain control but will they help with the current deficit problem, I'm beyond pessimistic. They'll lower taxes, oh goody (for the current generations anyway). But, I am vere pessimistic concerning whether they'll even cut enough from the budget to make up for the tax breaks, let alone the expenditures catapulting our current deficit. Neither party has big enough gonads to do what is necessary to curb the deficit.
    Did you once think about all the spending the democrats were doing in the past 4 years causing record debt numbers to be scattered? Yet the left was belly aching how republicans were spending the grand kids money when they were in control are now all of a sudden worrying about deficits again after putting us deeper in the hole than anytime in our history.
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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I disagree entirely on the military being too big. It can't be big enough. That is the only thing that can keep China and Russia at bay for the foreseeable future.
    This is why I don't have any faith in conservative politics. Until we kill the golden calf, nothing will change.

    Why self professed conservatives throw all humbleness aside when dealing with military might I will never get.

    how many times do we have to see war sentiment change on the turn of the dime before we realize this country operates on a set of rules that prevents us from having a stable consist foreign policy.

    Our rules are setup to protect individual rights, not to maintain order around the world. Every election we can completely change our foreign policy, which makes us appear to suffer from schizophrenia. That is no way to operate!
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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Obama’s professed "post-partisan" credentials were a centerpiece of a vigorous and impassioned campaign that won him the presidency. After taking office though, Obama began a new campaign of isolating and demeaning those who would question his ideological agenda.

    The once dynamic candidate who had inspired supporters has been supplanted by a phlegmatic, partisan President. Obama's golden pledge to unite America sparkles only with failure as the pretender-in-chief coolly and dismissively relegates all nonbelievers to the back seat.

    Yet -- hope and change live on through the upcoming mid term election. Where Obama has altogether failed his pledge to unite the country, his ability to unite Republicans will prove to be nothing but historic.

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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    german unemployment 18 year low

    the word is---austerity

    auf deutsch---askese

    the french don't like it
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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    Did you once think about all the spending the democrats were doing in the past 4 years causing record debt numbers to be scattered? Yet the left was belly aching how republicans were spending the grand kids money when they were in control are now all of a sudden worrying about deficits again after putting us deeper in the hole than anytime in our history.
    Umm....who ever said I agreed with the Democrats fiscal policies. I don't as a matter of fact. Never said I was a Democrat either because I am not. So, take your excuses elsewhere bub. I don't agree with the fiscal policies of either party. As far as I am concerned both parties are spending the grandkids money. If you do not balance the budget you are making future generations pay at the minimum, the related interest expenses on that deficit.

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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    This is why I don't have any faith in conservative politics. Until we kill the golden calf, nothing will change.

    Why self professed conservatives throw all humbleness aside when dealing with military might I will never get.

    how many times do we have to see war sentiment change on the turn of the dime before we realize this country operates on a set of rules that prevents us from having a stable consist foreign policy.

    Our rules are setup to protect individual rights, not to maintain order around the world. Every election we can completely change our foreign policy, which makes us appear to suffer from schizophrenia. That is no way to operate!
    Oh thank God somebody gets it. I salute you sir.

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    Re: 2010 Electorate Still Looking More Republican Than in the Past

    Quote Originally Posted by Taboon View Post
    Oh thank God somebody gets it. I salute you sir.
    now if only the other side will admit their desire to destroy our republic and replace it with a one-size fits all demoracy is the root cause of all the political anger and fighting.

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