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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I know it isn't me you're asking, but I'm going to answer anyway: I have a huge, HUGE problem with most forms of pre-conviction asset seizure, and the tribulations some people have had to go through to get their propery back when the charges were droppd or they were aquitted.

    I think it is very UnAmerican.
    Well, for what it's worth, I'm entirely in agreement with you. Except the part where you said "most."


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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I never said anything about it NOT growing outside, it grows all over the place, Kentucky, California, Alaska, Maine, Florida, you name it it can grow there, which emphasizes my point stated in the first line of my post you quoted "marijuana is a weed it grows anywhere".

    Ideally in a legal environment Marijuana would be grown indoors (greenhouse), for quality (very important in undermining the black market that legal product superior) and safety (to keep kids, and to a lesser extent adults or those who may want to do harm from strolling onto a field and grabbing a bud or threatening the grower). This does not meant that it cannot, is not, or will not be grown outdoors.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It denies them the ability to hire the attorney of their choice, or to expend their own resources to hire investigators or experts to testify on their behalf.

    I'll ask again: How do you feel about asset seizures which take place prior to an actual conviction in an actual court of actual law.
    Im not the judge.
    Why don't you ask the judge who is required to sign off on said seizure paperwork, and make the determination that there was indeed enough probable cause to believe that the assets seized were aquired for the purpose of, or by the act of, committing said crime, or it somehow otherwise fits whatever legally defined purposes for seizure.

    The only seizures I have ever made have been on vehicles by repeat drunken driving offenders..... And guess what.... The law authorizing such seizure states, "The officer SHALL seize..."

    SHALL Means We HAVE to do it, not we "may" do it, we SHALL do it..

    Capishe?

    And, there are hearings on seizures held seperately of the criminal charges where it can be argued in court and said assess can be re-acquired if a problem was made. In the case of a seizure, in some instances, one may not have to be found GUILTY of the crime in order for the seizure to be valid. It depends on the law.

    Don't like the law, talk to your politicians....

    Because, Police officers.. SHALL do what they are told by the law.

    EDIT: Also, Why is a car or a house or a stack of money that was sitting next to several bricks of cocaine required to defend someone when we provide lawyers free of charge to those who don't make any taxable income?
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im not the judge.
    I've already made it abundantly clear that I understand you and your colleagues are not in any way responsible for the practice. If you somehow missed that, let me be plain -- I understand that you and your colleagues are not in any way responsible for the practice.

    I am asking for your opinion on the practice.

    Why do you keep dodging the question?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    EDIT: Also, Why is a car or a house or a stack of money that was sitting next to several bricks of cocaine required to defend someone when we provide lawyers free of charge to those who don't make any taxable income?
    Simple fact: You are not going to get the same level / quality of service out of a public defender that you're going to get out of a top-dollar, hired gun and a fleet of private investigators and experts.

    If you did, there'd be no top-dollar hired gun defense lawyers, because they wouldn't be able to compete with the juggernaut that such a public defender office would be. Instead, such attorneys would be working for the public defender's office.

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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I am reminded of the Prisoner's Dilemma and how it relates to societal norms. I have heard it said by others, who have lived in Mexico or South America, that most cultures in those regions have not achieved anything like an optimal solution culturally to that Dilemma.
    I thought of a few more examples.

    Let's start with the losers and scum that abandon their families to go to the US and that don't realize that after paying money for somebody to cross them, and paying for housing, transportation, food and everything else, they end up with the same amount of money as if they stayed here and was a presence in their childs life. Being here to teach the child to be a good person is worth more than a few extra dollars they can earn in the US.

    OK more examples of the lack of common sense.

    Treating children as they are property rather than a human being. I mean throwing them in the back of an open pick up truck. I wouldn't even do that with a dog.

    Putting a child in the back seat of a car with no seat belt on.

    Letting a child sit in the front of a car that has an air bag with no seat belt on. - When the air bag deploys the childs head will be whipped back causing, most of the time, a fatal injury.

    Holding a baby in the front seat of a car that has an airbag with no seat belt on for the adult nor the child. When the air bag deploys the baby will be crushed between the adult passenger and the air bag.

    And the worst - holding a baby while driving in any car let alone in a car with a drivers side air bag (and worse when it is a stick shift) It is almost impossible to control the car holding a baby on your lap and shift the car, then if the air bag deploys the baby is dead between the steering wheel and the driver.

    Would you send your 4 year old daughter to the store alone to buy anything?

    We have neighborhood stores, like one of the houses on the block is a store, but I would never send my son or daugter there alone to buy anything.

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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Your idiots sound a whole lot like our idiots.

    Just saying.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Your idiots sound a whole lot like our idiots.

    Just saying.
    They do it mostly because there are no consequences.

    If the cops stopped them and put them in jail for putting the life of a minor child in danger less people would do it, but that won't happen.

    Instead the cops stop people for going through a flashing green light to try to collect the 50 pesos people will pay to avoid a ticket. Not me of course.

    It is clear in the vehicle code, I bought the book, it is not illegal to enter the intersection on a flashing green or even a yellow. When I explain that to the officer he, and this has happened 3 times, says I am right but I shouldn't enter the intersrection. He counts on the fact that a lot of people don't know the law, or even have drivers licences.

    You see cars driving around with kids heads sticking up through the sunroof, it is crazy.

    The cops need better training here to identify danger.

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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Your idiots sound a whole lot like our idiots.

    Just saying.
    If anybody inthe states tried any of that, they would be arrrested or at least have the children taken away by DCS, and rightly so.

    A parent should protect their kids, and not put them in danger by their positive action.

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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Depends on the situation. Do I have a problem with a detective lying to a suspect in a felony case about what type of evidence he has when he doesn't really have it? No.
    Did you ever hear the photocopier/lie detector urban legend? Heh. Always cracks me up to think about it.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Did you ever hear the photocopier/lie detector urban legend? Heh. Always cracks me up to think about it.
    snopes.com: Colander Lie Detector
    Thats ****ing hilarious!!!!!!
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