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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Its a crime for a suspect to lie to a cop? Wow. I never heard that one before.
    Lie about your name? Yes it is a crime. Lie about what you did? No, thats not a crime.
    Cops are not professional liars. You are a professional cop hater.
    Why is it acceptable to you that it is illegal for a private citizen to lie to a police officer (for example about their identity) while it is both legal and accepted practice for a police officer to lie to a suspect?

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    What you talk of is called clearing the highway. Can't leave a vehicle parked all caddy wompus in the lane of travel.
    How about asset seizure? Nothing like seizing someone's assets to prevent them from mounting a vigorous defense of their freedom and good name, much less their property rights.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why is it acceptable to you that it is illegal for a private citizen to lie to a police officer (for example about their identity) while it is both legal and accepted practice for a police officer to lie to a suspect?



    How about asset seizure? Nothing like seizing someone's assets to prevent them from mounting a vigorous defense of their freedom and good name, much less their property rights.
    Your questions are better fit for someone who MAKES the law.

    I suggest you ask your politicians.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Your questions are better fit for someone who MAKES the law.

    I suggest you ask your politicians.
    I asked why is it acceptable to you that it is illegal for a private citizen to lie to a police officer (for example about their identity) while it is both legal and accepted practice for a police officer to lie to a suspect.

    Why should I ask someone else about why that is acceptable to you?

    As for asset seizure, I'm talking to you, a police officer, about it. You can't blame the people who gave the law enforcement community the tools for how the law enforcement community chooses to use those tools.

    Why are you trying to hide behind someone else's skirt?
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I asked why is it acceptable to you that it is illegal for a private citizen to lie to a police officer (for example about their identity) while it is both legal and accepted practice for a police officer to lie to a suspect.

    Why should I ask someone else about why that is acceptable to you?

    As for asset seizure, I'm talking to you, a police officer, about it. You can't blame the people who gave the law enforcement community the tools for how the law enforcement community chooses to use those tools.

    Why are you trying to hide behind someone else's skirt?

    Bud, the average street cop doesn't make those kinds of decisions.

    Detectives actually do most of the lying.

    Deciding to charge someone for lying about their identity (and other things... you can be charged for lying to the Feds for instance) are usually a decision made by a prosecutor or solicitor.

    Asset Seizure is usually decided on by much higher authorities than the average street cop.

    You're attributing to Joe Cop far more discretionary power than he actually has.

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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    He's a police officer who doesn't seem to have a particular issue with the items I listed above.

    I'm trying to figure out why he doesn't have an issue with them.

    Ergo, I'm speaking to exactly the right person.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    He's a police officer who doesn't seem to have a particular issue with the items I listed above.

    I'm trying to figure out why he doesn't have an issue with them.

    Ergo, I'm speaking to exactly the right person.
    Depends on the situation. Do I have a problem with a detective lying to a suspect in a felony case about what type of evidence he has when he doesn't really have it? No.
    Do I have a problem with detective lying about the type of leniency one will get for giving a confession when they turn around and don't get said 'deal'? Yes. Thats not his/her place to do so.

    It depends on the situation. And these can be applied to street cops as well.
    A street cop lies to someone about leniency and then doesn't give said leniency when he gets the answer he is looking for.

    Thats just dishonest, and not a practice I participate in.


    Now, as far as asset forfeiture. I have no problem with it in DWI cases where folks have lost their privlege to drive because of a DWI and then go out, while revoked, and DWI again. They are informed of this consequence when they receive their first DWI. And, its one of the best ways the state can ensure that we will keep said person off of the road while drunk again without jailing them for a first time DWI offense, which I believe we all agree would be unnecessary.

    Of course, that doesn't answer your question because you are upset that your dealer lost his car and house when he got busted for maintaining a dwelling to support drug operations. Too bad. I haven't dealt with that because I purposefully stay away from enforcing drug laws as much as possible.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Of course, that doesn't answer your question because you are upset that your dealer lost his car and house when he got busted for maintaining a dwelling to support drug operations.
    My dealer? Do you mean the guy who owns the smoke shop on the reservation where I buy my cigarettes, or do you mean the guy who sells me my coffee?


    At any rate, your slanderous bull**** aside, what bothers me are asset seizures which take place prior to an actual conviction in an actual court of actual law.

    In other words, asset seizures which impede a presumed-innocent defendant's ability to actually defend themselves.

    How do you feel about those?
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post

    In other words, asset seizures which impede a presumed-innocent defendant's ability to actually defend themselves.

    How do you feel about those?
    You'd have to prove your assertion that it impedes their ability to defend themselves first.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    It denies them the ability to hire the attorney of their choice, or to expend their own resources to hire investigators or experts to testify on their behalf.

    I'll ask again: How do you feel about asset seizures which take place prior to an actual conviction in an actual court of actual law.
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    Re: Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack Gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It denies them the ability to hire the attorney of their choice, or to expend their own resources to hire investigators or experts to testify on their behalf.

    I'll ask again: How do you feel about asset seizures which take place prior to an actual conviction in an actual court of actual law.

    I know it isn't me you're asking, but I'm going to answer anyway: I have a huge, HUGE problem with most forms of pre-conviction asset seizure, and the tribulations some people have had to go through to get their propery back when the charges were droppd or they were aquitted.

    I think it is very UnAmerican.

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