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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm actually a bigot against terrorists, and those who support them.

    I never cared much about Muslims one way or the other until a significant number of them turned to terrorism. I don't care what people believe so long as they don't try to change society, or expect special treatment, as a result of these beliefs.

    You don't win a debate by calling people 'bigots', by the way, though the thick of head would win a lot of debates if they could.
    I think the bigoted comment stands. There are only a hanful of thousands of jihadists on earth and only hundreds of trained high profile terrorists who pose a significant threat. Out of over a billion thats a pretty good healthy number.
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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Whovian

    You are doing EXACTLY what many liberals say we conservatives do... you're lumping in ALL Muslims with the VAST MINORITY who are terrorists, and says 'let's punish them all by not allwoing them in... they don't contribute in any meaningful way anyway'.


    How is it punishing them all by not allowing them in? Do you really feel your area of the world is so much superior to Islamic nations? If so, let's have an honest diiscussion as to the reasons why.

    As a matter of fact there is no certain we we can tell who is a Muslim terrorist, who isn't, and whoo is a Muslim supporter and who isn't.

    In Canada there has been several terrorist attempts by Muslims which have, so far, been unsuccesful. If Canada needs immigrants then it would make more sense to bring them from Latin American countries rather than from those areas of the where religion plays to active a role in their lives, and the beliefs run contrary to the general live and let live way of life to which Canadians are accustomed. If life in Islamic countroes is unsatisfactory we shpuld start asking why and perhaps ask for some reforms. But to say that Muslims should be allowed free entry because Islamic countries are not a fit place to live doesn't make a great deal of sense.


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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Whovian

    You are doing EXACTLY what many liberals say we conservatives do... you're lumping in ALL Muslims with the VAST MINORITY who are terrorists, and says 'let's punish them all by not allwoing them in... they don't contribute in any meaningful way anyway'.
    How is it punishing them all by not allowing them in? Do you really feel your area of the world is so much superior to Islamic nations? If so, let's have an honest discussion as to the reasons why.

    As a matter of fact there is no certain we we can tell who is a Muslim terrorist, who isn't, and who is a Muslim supporter of terrorism and who isn't.

    In Canada there has been several terrorist attempts by Muslims which have, so far, been unsuccessful. If Canada needs immigrants then it would make more sense to bring them from Latin American countries rather than from those areas of the world where religion plays too active a role in their people's lives, and the beliefs run contrary to the general live and let live way of life to which Canadians are accustomed. If life in Islamic countries is unsatisfactory we should start asking why and perhaps ask for some reforms. But to say that Muslims should be allowed free entry because Islamic countries are not a fit place to live doesn't make a great deal of sense.

    "I find that sickening. Perhaps you should seek counseling".
    Perhaps your mummy can give you a hug.

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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How is it punishing them all by not allowing them in? Do you really feel your area of the world is so much superior to Islamic nations? If so, let's have an honest diiscussion as to the reasons why.
    Yes, I believe it is in many ways. One such way is having freedom of religion.

    As a matter of fact there is no certain we we can tell who is a Muslim terrorist, who isn't, and whoo is a Muslim supporter and who isn't.
    Yep.

    We can't tell magically whose a pedophile, a rapist, a murder, a drug dealer, or any other sort of criminal thing either. However we don't punish an entire huge swatch of people in abject disregard for the principles and traditions of our country because of that fact.

    It'd be one thing if you wanted a more in depth check on individuals who declare themselves muslims, or are from muslim countries, as that is at least not denying them entry based on religion.

    Not to mention that your goal would be useless in doing anything but keeping law abiding muslims out. Muslim terrorists that have a desire to get in the country to do terror would just lie on their paperwork and claim not to be muslims.

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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As a matter of fact there is no certain we we can tell who is a Muslim terrorist, who isn't, and who is a Muslim supporter of terrorism and who isn't. Perhaps your mummy can give you a hug.
    So, you're using the immigration equivelent of 'kill em all, let God sort them out', because you're a scared religious bigot. Got it.

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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    My dissappointment is with moderate law abiding muslims. I don't think they are willing to take back their religion from the terrorists - so I have to ask why won't they? If the extremists are 0.00001% world wide, what is it that is preventing the moderate followers of Islam to out the extremists. I'm not talking about some lip service denouncement, I'm talking about full blown confession saying, "So and So is living here and he and these other 5 men are planning to bomb this place... ", then the police get them and lock them up. Why isn't that happening and why hasn't it happened since say the 1970's when terrorists really made their appearance on the national stage with plane hijackings?

    Wouldn't that not only serve the purpose of rejecting those who kill in the name of Islam, denouncement and rejection of those extremists views by the one group that could actually carry out the defeat of Al Qaeda and other groups like them. So what's the problem and why hasn't it happened?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I think the bigoted comment stands. There are only a hanful of thousands of jihadists on earth and only hundreds of trained high profile terrorists who pose a significant threat. Out of over a billion thats a pretty good healthy number.
    You actually have no idea how many jihadists there are in the world or where they are. Certainly there are highly trained terrorists but we also have the Richard Reids and this guy in Virginia,

    Those Muslims who committed 7/7 in London were just ordinary Muslims also. No one pegged them for terrorist material, but the people on that bus are dead as a result of Islamic immigration, and hundreds of police are at work trying to stop that. I do not see any advantage in further Muslim emigration, as apposed to eliminating it altogether.

    And while there is well over a billion Muslims in the world, how many of them are terrorists now located in the United States, Canada, the UK, Australia, Denmark, and so on?

    The fact is you have no idea what the percentages are or who they are.

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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The fact is you have no idea what the percentages are or who they are.
    Therefore, there is no possible way to differentiate between them and anyone else.

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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You actually have no idea how many jihadists there are in the world or where they are. Certainly there are highly trained terrorists but we also have the Richard Reids and this guy in Virginia,
    Yes, the actually have estimates on numbers of armed jihadists, did you think I pulled the number out my ass? ALso this guy was goofsauce, they have no connections and are falling for FBI dummy dupes.

    Those Muslims who committed 7/7 in London were just ordinary Muslims also.
    They weren't ordinary they were terrorists. You may not mean it but you seem to imply terrorism is normalcy for muslims.

    And while there is well over a billion Muslims in the world, how many of them are terrorists now located in the United States, Canada, the UK, Australia, Denmark, and so on?
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    Re: VA. Man Arrested For Plotting DC Attacks.

    Ockham

    My dissappointment is with moderate law abiding muslims. I don't think they are willing to take back their religion from the terrorists - so I have to ask why won't they? If the extremists are 0.00001% world wide, what is it that is preventing the moderate followers of Islam to out the extremists. I'm not talking about some lip service denouncement, I'm talking about full blown confession saying, "So and So is living here and he and these other 5 men are planning to bomb this place... ", then the police get them and lock them up. Why isn't that happening and why hasn't it happened since say the 1970's when terrorists really made their appearance on the national stage with plane hijackings?
    We might as well forget about these "moderate" Muslims, Ockham. They will not speak up.

    and why should they?

    They can see that most of those people in the democracies will not speak up either. Anyone who dares criticize Islamic extremists is considered a bigot, arrested, has their lives threatened, need 24 hour portction, and so on. If people accustomed to free speech in the democracies can't speak up, why should "moderate" Muslims? In fact their lives would be at even greater risk because they are exposed to the extremists in their midst. The cowardice being displayed throughout the democracies would give any rational person, or moderate Muslim, pause..

    Wouldn't that not only serve the purpose of rejecting those who kill in the name of Islam, denouncement and rejection of those extremists views by the one group that could actually carry out the defeat of Al Qaeda and other groups like them. So what's the problem and why hasn't it happened?
    We are asking moderate Muslims to do the job we should be doing, which is to stand up to these bullies and continue with our customs of free speech and free media. Until we start denouncing child marriage, the murder of gays and adulterers, the subjugation of women, etc. the decline of the democracies will continue. We deserve whatever we get.

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