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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    I am conducting a study, I'm going around to every thread seeing if they all eventually melt into a conservative/republican vs liberal/democrat fight. This one hasn't melted yet, per se, but I see the potential after just reading the first page of post.

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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That last line is golden. How moronic. If it's goal is to kill the person, the only way it's not "safe for intended use" would be if it was ineffective right?
    If the drugs weren't safe to ... if they weren't effective it might lead to his... oh screw it. I can't even make it sound sillier than it already is. Can't we dust off the "chair" and use that or is that dangerous to use too?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As previously mentioned, there's the possibility that it doesn't kill them, and instead leaves them in horrendous pain and severe brain damage. I guess you'd have to read the actual trial documents to know for sure, but to assume someone's reasoning is moronic before knowing their reasoning at all is a bit silly in a court-of-law context. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a decision and thought "Wait, what the hell?" only then to read the supporting argument and go "Ooohhh... hadn't thought of that."
    I'm not sure how executions there are preformed. But this is how it goes (or at least what I was taught.) They anesthetize you, then they inject you with a muscle paralyzer (causing you to suffocate to death if the next injection doesn't kill you). Lastly, they typically inject the criminal with a potassium supplement to force cardiac arrest. The drug in question was sodium thiopental, which is used as an anesthetic. It doesn't matter, if the anesthetic gives you brain damage, the rest of the drugs will kill you. Regardless, I haven't seen a valid reason to doubt why the British company shouldn't be trusted.
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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    The drug does not cause brain damage, but autopsy studies have revealed that there are commonly insufficient amounts in the tissue to guarantee complete anaesthesia. This in turn raises the prospect of someone being conscious and aware when they are paralysed with the pancuronium, then their cardiac function is arrested with potassium chloride. The process usually takes 10 minutes, but can last 30 to 40.
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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    As in could leave him not dead and sufferring terribly for hours while they freak out in the execution room wondering how to kill him when all the drugs are used and everyone watching starts screaming and crying etc etc.

    Trying mighty hard to find something wrong with her voting as expected.
    In that case, they know that that is a bad product and won't use it.

    Trying mighty hard to find synpathy for a murderer who strangled his victim.
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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As previously mentioned, there's the possibility that it doesn't kill them, and instead leaves them in horrendous pain and severe brain damage. I guess you'd have to read the actual trial documents to know for sure, but to assume someone's reasoning is moronic before knowing their reasoning at all is a bit silly in a court-of-law context. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a decision and thought "Wait, what the hell?" only then to read the supporting argument and go "Ooohhh... hadn't thought of that."
    A couple of rounds in the cranium will take care of that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Why is being against the death penalty a 'liberal' stance? What? No Christian Conservatives against the death penalty?
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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

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    environmental impact of lead discharge. DUH.
    get a nice environmentally sound hemp rope



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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    I am conducting a study, I'm going around to every thread seeing if they all eventually melt into a conservative/republican vs liberal/democrat fight. This one hasn't melted yet, per se, but I see the potential after just reading the first page of post.
    how many threads are you going to spam this statement on ?



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    Re: Justice Elena Kagan's first vote is against an execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But it is silly to claim she is "voting the liberal line" when she has only voted once. Her record suggest there will be occasions when she may break with the liberals on the court. However, no one has really claimed she is anything other than a liberal. A moderate liberal probably, but still a liberal.
    When she doesn't vote the Liberal line, you'll be the first to post it. Yes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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