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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, it is civil. look it up.
    If you are on trial and have to plead guilt/innocence, then it is a criminal event.

    I ask again:
    What about the people that have cost the state nothing?
    On what basis can you fine them?

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You are incapable of lookign at a list of new taxes and calling them what they are, because you are simply too partisan to admit when you are wrong and your Obamessiah lied.
    Aint THAT the truth...

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Every item on that list with an asterisk affects people who make less than $250K. The tanning bed tax is just one item on the list. You don't want to go point by point, because you CAN'T go point by point. You are incapable of lookign at a list of new taxes and calling them what they are, because you are simply too partisan to admit when you are wrong and your Obamessiah lied.

    Your spin is slowing... you must be getting tired.
    some are fines, others are not taxes at all. the ban on using your hsa to purchase aspirin isn't a tax. the tax on brand name pharma is optional. double penalty for non qualified distributions is not a tax.

    the excise tax on very generous insurance plans is only on that part of the plan which exceeds 24k for families and 8900 for individuals, and is phased in over a great period of time. i will also argue that this probably won't affect people with incomes lower than 250k.

    Does Not Affect Most People and Plans. The large majority of health insurance plans would be unaffected by the excise tax, since the dollar thresholds far exceed the value of the typical plan. In 2013, more than 91 percent of family plans will have premiums below $24,000, the threshold for the excise tax.[4] A plan costing $24,000 in 2013 (the equivalent of about $20,800 in 2010) would be about 40 percent more generous than the plan that most Members of Congress have.[5] In later years, as health insurance costs rise, more plans would be faced with exceeding the tax thresholds, but only to a small degree. Since the tax would apply only to costs above the thresholds, its effect on people with plans just over the thresholds would be minimal.Even by 2019, well below 8 percent of total premiums for employer-sponsored insurance would be affected by the excise tax. [6]

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    some are fines, others are not taxes at all...

    the excise tax on very generous insurance plans is only on that part of the plan which exceeds 24k for families and 8900 for individuals, and is phased in over a great period of time. i will also argue that this probably won't affect people with incomes lower than 250k.
    So, 'some' are fines 'others' are not taxes, and the rest are what, exactly then???

    You'd argue poorly then.

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you are on trial and have to plead guilt/innocence, then it is a criminal event.

    I ask again:
    What about the people that have cost the state nothing?
    On what basis can you fine them?
    and i'm telling you...traffic fines are CIVIL. admit it. and please look at the definition i provided. traffic court is civil. how does parking in a no parking zone cost the state money? and yet, they pay a civil fine. how about that? your definiton is not complete, but i think you KNOW that. i'm done.

    17th Judicial Circuit Uniform Civil Traffic Court Procedures
    TO: All County Court Judges, Traffic Hearing Officers, Supervisors of the

    Clerk of the Court Traffic Division all locations

    FROM: Chief Judge Dale Ross, Honorable Jay Spechler, Honorable Peter B.

    Skolnik and Brenda Di Ioia, Chief Administrative Traffic Hearing Officer,

    Carol Lee Ortman, Court AdministratorDATE: November 1, 2005

    (Revised/Amended April 2004, July 2001, February 1999,

    Initiated April 27, 1998)

    RE: Civil Traffic Infraction & Municipal Parking Proceedings




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    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and i'm telling you...traffic fines are CIVIL.
    I see that your denial of reality runs deep.
    But then, I knew that.

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, 'some' are fines 'others' are not taxes, and the rest are what, exactly then???

    You'd argue poorly then.
    i'm finished here......you clearly don't know how the healthcare law will work. i'm not giving any more examples.

    btw...how many families do you know who have insurance plans, paid by their company in their entirety, that cost 24K? hmm......?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I see that your denial of reality runs deep.
    But then, I knew that.
    and so, i posted a civil traffic court schedule, and you deny that traffic court is civil. you're pretty damend funny.......and completely wrong.

    The Gilbert Municipal Court has jurisdiction over civil traffic violations committed within the Town of Gilbert. Most civil violations carry a possible maximum fine of $250.00. No jail time or probation can be imposed for a civil traffic violation.
    here's a quick google...about non existent civil traffic courts....

    Municipal Court - Civil Traffic Case Informationphoto, court room The Gilbert Municipal Court has jurisdiction over civil traffic violations committed within the Town of Gilbert. Most civil violations ...
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    Last edited by liblady; 10-25-10 at 05:28 PM.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I see that your denial of reality runs deep.
    But then, I knew that.
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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm finished here......you clearly don't know how the healthcare law will work. i'm not giving any more examples.

    btw...how many families do you know who have insurance plans, paid by their company in their entirety, that cost 24K? hmm......?
    You were finished before you started... and failed half way through.

    WTF does the way the health care law itself works, have to do with taxes that will be assessed because of it?

    You also conveniently ignore the fact that the health care law is not the ONLY source of new taxes under this administration. You ignored...

    SCHIP*
    Public*Law*111‐3*
    Tobacco tax increase and expanded enforcement authority* (new tax, affects people making less than $250K)

    “Stimulus”*
    Public Law 111‐5
    Repeal guidance allowing certain taxpayers to claim losses of an acquired corporation

    UI Benefits, NOL
    Relief & Homebuyer Credit
    Public Law 111‐92
    Federal Unemployment surtaxes extended through June 2011 *
    Delay of rules to reduce the double taxation of worldwide American employers until 2018 (worldwide interest allocation)*

    HIRE Act
    Public Law 111‐147
    Delay of rules to reduce the double taxation of worldwide American employers until 2021 (worldwide interest allocation)*
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