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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Just asnwer the question.
    Criminal or civil?
    i have no idea, nor is it relevant.

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i have no idea, nor is it relevant.
    I have -no doubt- that you have -no- idea ...

    The relevance here is obvious.

    If it is a criminal fine, it can only be assessed pursuant to a guilty conviction, after a trial.
    If it is a civil fine, it can only be assessed for monetary damages caused to the state in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I have -no doubt- that you have -no- idea ...

    The relevance here is obvious.

    If it is a criminal fine, it can only be assessed pursuant to a guilty conviction, after a trial.
    If it is a civil fine, it can only be assessed for monetary damages caused to the state in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.
    or wrongdoing......and the fine can also be assessed by the federal government. so again, what is your point?

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    or wrongdoing...
    ....that caiuses damages to the state, in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.

    Again, what is your point?
    Well...
    As you can only assess civil penalties pursuant to costs borne by the state in an effort to recoup those costs, you cannot assess a civil penalty upon someone who has not caused the state to incur any cost.

    and the fine can also be assessed by the federal government.
    When I say 'the state', I'm not referring to OH, et al.

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    If it's assessed on your taxes, it's a tax.

    I notice you ignored the vast majority of the new taxes listed. I anxiously await your continued attempts to spin those as "not 'really' taxes'.

    cricket... cricket... cricket...

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    ....that caiuses damages to the state, in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.


    Well...
    As you can only assess civil penalties pursuant to costs borne by the state in an effort to recoup those costs, you cannot assess a civil penalty upon someone who has not caused the state to incur any cost.


    When I say 'the state', I'm not referring to OH, et al.
    well, it's exactly what they are doing. if you run a red light, you are assessed a fine. a civil fine, and yet, you caused no damages. how does that square with your belief?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    cricket... cricket... cricket...
    no, just not interested in going point by point. he's not raising taxes, and you guys can't stand that fact, so you nitpick about a tanning bed tax. i don't really see anything in there that actually raises taxes on those who make less than 250k.....which ones does, btw? other than a tax which is completely OPTIONAL?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    well, it's exactly what they are doing.
    Is it?
    What about the people that have cost the state nothing? On what basis can you fine them?

    If you run a red light, you are assessed a fine. A civil fine
    Traffic violations are criminal, not civil fines - that why you have to go co court for them and where guilt/innocence is determined, after which a fine may be levied.

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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Is it?
    What about the people that have cost the state nothing? On what basis can you fine them?


    Traffic violations are criminal, not civil fines - that why you have to go co court for them and where guilt/innocence is determined, after which a fine may be levied.
    no, it is civil. look it up.

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    Top Home > Library > Law & Legal Issues > Law DictionaryGenerally, fines or money damages imposed by a regulatory scheme. See, e.g., 15 U.S.C. 45(1). Civil penalties however, have been distinguished from civil remedies in that civil penalties are imposed as a punishment for certain activity and have the character of a criminal sanction, while civil remedies seek to redress wrongs or compensate for injuries suffered.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Key Tax Breaks at Risk as Panel Looks at Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, just not interested in going point by point. he's not raising taxes, and you guys can't stand that fact, so you nitpick about a tanning bed tax. i don't really see anything in there that actually raises taxes on those who make less than 250k.....which ones does, btw? other than a tax which is completely OPTIONAL?
    Translation: I reject your reality, and substitute my own.
    Every item on that list with an asterisk affects people who make less than $250K. The tanning bed tax is just one item on the list. You don't want to go point by point, because you CAN'T go point by point. You are incapable of lookign at a list of new taxes and calling them what they are, because you are simply too partisan to admit when you are wrong and your Obamessiah lied.

    Your spin is slowing... you must be getting tired.

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