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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Because the "right" to vote in not by degree. It is not a grey area in principle, it is a right, and you either meet the prerequisit, or you do not.


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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't think that anyone is suggesting they have an inherent RIGHT to vote. However, communities can allow them to do so, irrespective of that. Since they live there as much as anyone else, I don't see what's wrong with that.

    Because accepting that in principle, and as precedent, allows the same arguments to be used to ask why they can't vote in state elections, or even federal elections. They live here as much as anyone, so why not?

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because accepting that in principle, and as precedent, allows the same arguments to be used to ask why they can't vote in state elections, or even federal elections. They live here as much as anyone, so why not?
    Sure, it allows the same argument to be made. But it doesn't mean that they actually have to be allowed to vote on a state/federal level, just because the argument can be made.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because accepting that in principle, and as precedent, allows the same arguments to be used to ask why they can't vote in state elections, or even federal elections. They live here as much as anyone, so why not?
    Why not just come out and use the phrase "slippery slope?"
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because accepting that in principle, and as precedent, allows the same arguments to be used to ask why they can't vote in state elections, or even federal elections. They live here as much as anyone, so why not?
    Well, that is true. However, such a precedent would be resolved by amendments to a state's constitution for state elections.

    As for federal elections, those are determined by state laws as well. The Constitution allows the individual states to determine how the Senators and Representatives from their states are elected.

    With regards to the Presidential election, remember that we don't use the popular vote anyways - rather, we use the electoral college.

    Again, I have no problem with non-citizens having a say in local government if the people of the local government vote for it. However, I don't think it should be imposed on other local governments, or should be applied to a higher level than local governments.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    while i don't agree with this.......whatever happened to state's rights?
    Or ... ya know...the Constitution.


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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, because you don't see the right to vote as important to you, nobody else should?
    I'm just curious as to why you want to give voting rights away --- is it because of some world view or is it because these voters tend to vote (D) in elections and therefore it's for some pansy partisan motive?

    I'm sure you'd be in favor of pets such as guinea pigs, birds, dogs and cats to vote too - by proxy of their owners of course, and always for (D) right?
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm just curious as to why you want to give voting rights away --- is it because of some world view or is it because these voters tend to vote (D) in elections and therefore it's for some pansy partisan motive?

    I'm sure you'd be in favor of pets such as guinea pigs, birds, dogs and cats to vote too - by proxy of their owners of course, and always for (D) right?
    Who cares what their political affiliation is, if they're just voting in LOCAL elections? Do you really give a damn whether your county treasurer is a Democrat or a Republican? Is there really any difference in how they'd handle the job, based on their partisan affiliation?
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who cares what their political affiliation is, if they're just voting in LOCAL elections?
    Are you claiming minorities in the United States do not vote primarily for Democrats? And what a silly statement - viewing this from a purely political view, of COURSE politicans and local/state government care what political affiliations they have.

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    Do you really give a damn whether your county treasurer is a Democrat or a Republican? Is there really any difference in how they'd handle the job, based on their partisan affiliation?
    Yes I do actually. You see the town council including the treasurer in my neck of the woods has the ability to do a lot of things that directly affect me, my home, my family. For example, I live in a rural area where "open farmland" has been in preservation status for 12 years now. Democrats who are running for town council and treasurer I might add, want to remove the township plan and bring in industry and allow developers to build up the area. Most of the citizens where I live do not want this and have voted Republican to preserve the open space as our little township is an island of green surrounded by full on development and we're willing to pay higher taxes to keep it open space. Yes absolutely there's a difference on how they handle the job and if you don't know that, you obviously aren't involved in your local government nor are you involved in local issues --- THOSE local issues affect people just as much as any big government healthcare travesty passed nationally by Congress.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Voting is a privilege reserved only for citizens. Non-citizens should never be allowed to vote in any election in the United States. Why should my vote be equal and canceled out by a non-citizen and possible illegal immigrant?
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