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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I find it funny that the author makes all this talk about Mexico and Aztlan but the part of the story he decided to highlight mentions 'Claude Rwaganje'. I'm sure this guy actually cares about Aztlan:



    Silly Gringos. DEM MEXIKUNZ GWAN TAKE YA LANDS!

    OMG! One example of a non Mexican and the whole argument is shot to hell..... What a silly post.


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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Those only count when you agree with them.
    Or only for them when its something you agree with.

    Last I checked I didn't see anyone early on this thread saying they should be constitutionally BANNED from being allowed to let illegals vote in local elections, people just expressed they felt it was a bad idea.

    When the **** did "State rights" become "You must agree and support any state pushed issue"?

    I know some of the libertarians who are itching for snarky comments, or liberals who have a hard time actually grasping things like "limited government" or "states rights" because misrepresenting them makes their arguments more useful, may not fully understand this...but one can support a states right to do something while thinking that it is a bad idea to do. Saying "I don't think this is a good law" or "They shouldn't do this, its going to cause problems in the end on a national level" is NOT being against states rights. Saying "The federal government should disallow the local states from letting this happen" would be.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I don't either. I don't think a noncitizen should be allowed to vote in an election where a foreign policy issue could be decided, period.
    Logically thatd be the only case where one could imagine a non-citizen voting. You know, on things that affect them.

    *this is not an endorsement of non citizen voting

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post

    Are you willing to give up our Nations Sovereignty and History as a Melting pot, in favor of some Radical Liberal idea that is 100% Anti-American? It also means the end of the United States of America that millions fought and died for.
    Or are you willing to fight Peacefully of course to preserve our Nation?

    This is the most dangerous attack on our nation since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

    Allowing aliens legal or not to vote could lead to a situation not unlike the one that took place back in 1981 when a Cult tried to take over and control the Community of Antelope Oregon.

    They used legal citizens who were brain washed by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh to register to vote so they could take over and allow them to make all the rules so their CULT could do as they wished.

    Is this a fear? HELL YES IT IS.

    There are places in this nation such as parts of Los Angeles where if this were to catch on Radicals like from the Racist group La Raza, and other radical groups like MEChA, and Aztlan will turn areas into Mexico which is their goal which will lead to us being run out.

    There are areas in many Cities populated by Muslims, Chinese, Korean, etc. and if allowed to do so they will return to separate but unequal, and this will I seriously fear lead to a Civil War and a BLOOD BATH.
    I do not think non-citizens should be allowed to vote in any election period regardless if they are here legally or illegally. I can see some scumbag in office using this as a stepping stone to allow illegals to vote or non-citizens to vote in other elections after people get used to non-citizens being allowed to vote in local elections. Because the argument that they pay local taxes can apply to illegals.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OMG! One example of a non Mexican and the whole argument is shot to hell..... What a silly post.
    Actually there isn't one mention of a Mexican anywhere in your article. And all of the specific places that they mention are nowhere near your racist fearmongering map, other than a brief mention of San Francisco which is only 14% Hispanic.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    So if citizens decide to give their non-citizen legal resident tax-paying neighbors the right to vote in local elections, that's something to be afraid of?

    Really?

    There are other countries that permit that sort of thing in certain localities, and the sky hasn't fallen there.
    I have to agree with you. If this was done for elections any higher than local, I would be absolutely against it. However, if it is constrained only to local elections, I see nothing wrong with the citizens of cities to decide for themselves.

    I think a good compromise would be to allow a body of non-voting representatives for legal non-citizens at a local level, or even higher, where their concerns can be addressed. That way, at least they'll have a voice.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Citizens of a nation vote.


    Non-citizens don't.


    To allow anything else is an assault on our sovereignty as a nation. If you aren't a US citizen, you have no business voting. If you want to vote, go home or become a US Citizen.

    I'm sorry, this is just a no-brainer to me, like asking if water is wet.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Citizens of a nation vote.


    Non-citizens don't.


    To allow anything else is an assault on our sovereignty as a nation. If you aren't a US citizen, you have no business voting. If you want to vote, go home or become a US Citizen.

    I'm sorry, this is just a no-brainer to me, like asking if water is wet.
    ...except they aren't voting in any federal elections. Or for that matter, any state elections. They're voting to elect the city dogcatcher and county coroner and whatnot of their own communities. I don't see what's so horrible about that. They live there just as much as citizens do, so why not?
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Citizens of a nation vote.


    Non-citizens don't.


    To allow anything else is an assault on our sovereignty as a nation. If you aren't a US citizen, you have no business voting. If you want to vote, go home or become a US Citizen.

    I'm sorry, this is just a no-brainer to me, like asking if water is wet.
    I'm like.. Why has this thread had so many posts about people arguing for this like it's obvious to them that people who are not citizens have a right to vote, or should be allowed too? Huh??


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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ...except they aren't voting in any federal elections. Or for that matter, any state elections. They're voting to elect the city dogcatcher and county coroner and whatnot of their own communities. I don't see what's so horrible about that.
    Because the "right" to vote in not by degree. It is not a grey area in principle, it is a right, and you either meet the prerequisit, or you do not.


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