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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Yes I called you a moron, but unfortunately I received an infraction so I can't do it again. But, please, answer that question. Would you support the Federal government going into a community and forcibly ending this practice if the locals had no problem with it?

    And are you seriously OK with US citizens, even though they are children, not being able to discuss their school through their parents because they aren't US citizens? Since when in America are you limited because of who you're parents are.

    And I asked you what if the entirety of these people are non-US citizens, so there are no children of US citizens going to this school. Would we just cut the parents out entirely of any say in how their children are educated? Didn't you want to eliminate the Department of Education as well, so now you support the Feds coming in and regulating education when there's something you disagree with?
    The easiest solution is to get the government out of the schools. This way all schools are private and whatever voting the school does is up to them as a private business. Since public education is government controlled it is a politcal vote and one that should be denied to non-citizens. Would you mind if American citizens voted in your home country's elections as non-resident legal aliens?

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

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    What is clear is you are one of those individuals who totally lacks the ability to read and comprehend English, so I will not explain it to you because it's over your head. But don't feel bad you're not alone.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Yes I called you a moron, but unfortunately I received an infraction so I can't do it again. But, please, answer that question. Would you support the Federal government going into a community and forcibly ending this practice if the locals had no problem with it?

    And are you seriously OK with US citizens, even though they are children, not being able to discuss their school through their parents because they aren't US citizens? Since when in America are you limited because of who you're parents are.

    And I asked you what if the entirety of these people are non-US citizens, so there are no children of US citizens going to this school. Would we just cut the parents out entirely of any say in how their children are educated? Didn't you want to eliminate the Department of Education as well, so now you support the Feds coming in and regulating education when there's something you disagree with?
    Yes! I'm very OK with that. If that doesn't work for their parents, then their parents can take their asses, along with their kids's asses, back to their country of origin and vote there and then, shut the **** up about it.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

    Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes! I'm very OK with that. If that doesn't work for their parents, then their parents can take their asses, along with their kids's asses, back to their country of origin and vote there and then, shut the **** up about it.
    Do you have any pratical reason for that and please for the love of Christ answer my questions, can't you even defend your position or are you just going to repeat it over and over and over again? Seriously "Yes huh" isn't convincing.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

    Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?


    It's been going on for 30 years .

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

    Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?
    I don't know if it's just an Arizona thing or not, because in Missouri anyone can vote for school board members and determine policy since they're paying for it.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Let me ask another question. I am an American citizen, yet I cannot vote in these kind of elections held for local schools. Why? Because I don't have kids who go to that school. So there's obviously a different standard for voting in these elections than other ones which are political. That standard being having a child in that school, and since I don't have kid I don't have a dog in the fight so I can't vote.

    Is that right, that me an American citizen cannot vote in an election simply because I don't have a kid in that school?
    Please supply a link for that. You don't even have to have children in the school to be a Board member in Arizona. http://www.azsba.org/static/index.cfm?contentID=122

    The elections are held in conjunction with the General Election in even-numbered years. How do they enforce that? Link?
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Please supply a link for that. You don't even have to have children in the school to be a Board member in Arizona. http://www.azsba.org/static/index.cfm?contentID=122

    The elections are held in conjunction with the General Election in even-numbered years. How do they enforce that? Link?
    My mistake I should have been clearer I was referring to those elections which take place within the school itself over things like allocation of funds, ex. new football uniforms or a new stage for the drama club, or when to hold the community bake sale when I said I couldnt vote in those because I didnt have a kid. However I still report a tax paying legal resident alien with a kid in that school to be able to vote for things like supervisor. But yes in Arizona I can vote for school supervisory and other related position without having a kid in school.

    That also brings up an interesting and wider point, I'm currently living in Virginia right now and pay some Virginia taxes yet I have no say in where those go even go I'm a legal resident alien of the state. That I dont have problem with personally.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Their country" is the United States. They live and work here.
    Are you serious? So if a non citizen works in the US, the US is their country? No its where they happen to be stationed for work. "Their" country is where they have citizenship. Just because someone lives and works in a particular country does not make that "their" country.
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