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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because I'm a citizen here. That's why. Do I get to vote in their country? No, I don't. That's how things work in the real world, when one moves out of one's parent's home.
    "Their country" is the United States. They live and work here.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Their country" is the United States. They live and work here.
    This isn't, "their country", if they're not citizens.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You call me a moron and your next sentence reads:



    That's funny!!!

    To answer your basic question: when you become an American citizen, you can vote all you want, as long as you're properly registered.
    Next quiz, I've lived and worked in the US for 20 years without becoming a citizen and I've paid more dollars in taxes than you ever will. AND I live in a community where the ENTIRETY of the school students are resident aliens as well. Whos going to vote for those things now? Or are we just gonna have some outside party decide how my kids are going to go to school.

    Here's another question. What if the ENTIRETY of school children are US citizens but all of their parents are NOT? So the kids were born in the US but the parents were born outside? Do those children, US citizens, not get to have their concerns and opinions expressed because of their parent's citizenship status?

    So answer me that, and while you're at it tell me if you'd have the Federal government make a blanket law for everyone and tell me what if any practical reason you can think of to justify you're reasoning here.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Currently, the United States recognizes dual citizenship.
    Questions and answers on dual US/other citizenship
    Rules against dual citizenship still apply to some extent -- at least in theory -- to people who wish to become US citizens via naturalization. The Supreme Court chose to leave in place the requirement that new citizens must renounce their old citizenship during US naturalization. However, in practice, the State Department is no longer doing anything in the vast majority of situations where a new citizen's "old country" refuses to recognize the US renunciation and continues to consider the person's original citizenship to be in effect.

    The official US State Department policy on dual citizenship today is that the United States does not favor it as a matter of policy because of various problems they feel it may cause, but the existence of dual citizenship is recognized (i.e., accepted) as a fact of life. That is, if you ask them if you ought to become a dual citizen, they will recommend against doing it; but if you tell them you are a dual citizen, they'll almost always say it's OK.
    This was not always the case. So, if someone wants to vote, even at a local level... they should become a citizen first. That would allow them a vote at 'all levels'.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Next quiz, I've lived and worked in the US for 20 years without becoming a citizen and I've paid more dollars in taxes than you ever will. AND I live in a community where the ENTIRETY of the school students are resident aliens as well. Whos going to vote for those things now? Or are we just gonna have some outside party decide how my kids are going to go to school.

    Here's another question. What if the ENTIRETY of school children are US citizens but all of their parents are NOT? So the kids were born in the US but the parents were born outside? Do those children, US citizens, not get to have their concerns and opinions expressed because of their parent's citizenship status?

    So answer me that, and while you're at it tell me if you'd have the Federal government make a blanket law for everyone and tell me what if any practical reason you can think of to justify you're reasoning here.
    Like it or not, this is very controversial. There are only a few states that allow what you're saying should be so damn obvious. Our right to vote hasn't been determined by $$$ for two hundred years.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    So if citizens decide to give their non-citizen legal resident tax-paying neighbors the right to vote in local elections, that's something to be afraid of?

    Really?

    There are other countries that permit that sort of thing in certain localities, and the sky hasn't fallen there.
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    If you are surrounded by and taught by radicals who themselves lack the ability to think for themselves with logical, reasonable thought processes and who do nothing but play follow the leader their whole lives we can't expect more from them than we get.

    This attack on our Nations security and make no mistake it is a full frontal attack, is calculated to go hand in hand with Obama's desire to bring us to our economic knees as is outlined in the Cloward and Piven strategy and is all part of the Marxist Black Liberation Theology plan.

    I don't believe in coincidence but I do believe in plans and Obama has put in place over 30 radicals who have no experience in the practical application of anything in the real world and they are all either Communists/Socialists/Marxists which in the end are separated only by the method of the achievement of their goals.

    Abdirizak Daud, has been here 18 years, with 9 kids still can't speak English or pass the test but he's the example they put forth for us to feel sorry for because he is not qualified to be a citizen not because of us but because he in not intelligent enough.

    I am not sorry to say this but i am sorry I have to. I want to know why is he still here?

    Note the last sentence in bold type, because this is the key yo it all. He want's to be a Democrat. Well no damn kidding I would never in a million years guest that one.

    If you read the whole story you know San Francisco id trying to get it started and I want to see it made a Federal law enforceable by jail time for any City to allow any Aliens to vote and to be Sanctuary cities.

    We need to push for this After the Nov. Elections.


    Abdirizak Daud, 40, moved to Minneapolis 18 years ago before coming to Portland in 2006. He hasn't been able to find a job. Some of his nine children have attended Portland schools, and he'd like to have a say in who's looking over the school system and the city, he said.

    But between his limited English and the financial demands, Daud hasn't been able to become a citizen.

    "I like the Democrats. I want to vote for Democrats, but I don't have citizenship," he said
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Next quiz, I've lived and worked in the US for 20 years without becoming a citizen and I've paid more dollars in taxes than you ever will. AND I live in a community where the ENTIRETY of the school students are resident aliens as well. Whos going to vote for those things now? Or are we just gonna have some outside party decide how my kids are going to go to school.
    The people who are legal American citizens.


    And, BTW, what about the American citizens that don't pay taxes? Should be allowed to vote? It has nothing to do with how much you pay in taxes, unfortunately.


    Here's another question. What if the ENTIRETY of school children are US citizens but all of their parents are NOT? So the kids were born in the US but the parents were born outside? Do those children, US citizens, not get to have their concerns and opinions expressed because of their parent's citizenship status?
    No! Non-citzens--legal, or not--shouldn't be able to vote in American elections.

    So answer me that, and while you're at it tell me if you'd have the Federal government make a blanket law for everyone and tell me what if any practical reason you can think of to justify you're reasoning here.
    Again, you write that sentence and you call me a moron?
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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    What the hell is with the Aztlan picture in the OP?

    Then again, your avatar is of a crystal skull so I shouldn't be surprised.

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    Re: States Weigh Letting Noncitizens Vote

    Yes I called you a moron, but unfortunately I received an infraction so I can't do it again. But, please, answer that question. Would you support the Federal government going into a community and forcibly ending this practice if the locals had no problem with it?

    And are you seriously OK with US citizens, even though they are children, not being able to discuss their school through their parents because they aren't US citizens? Since when in America are you limited because of who you're parents are.

    And I asked you what if the entirety of these people are non-US citizens, so there are no children of US citizens going to this school. Would we just cut the parents out entirely of any say in how their children are educated? Didn't you want to eliminate the Department of Education as well, so now you support the Feds coming in and regulating education when there's something you disagree with?

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