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    Re: U.S. ignored reports of Iraqi abuse: documents

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What you keep saying is so totally wrong it is laughable. But let's suppose that you are correct that only the UN can enforce their mandates. Then:

    1. Explain how they do that

    2. Please show me where the United States, or any other sovereign country has foregone that sovereignty in order to allow their own planes, or any other interest to be in harms way.

    We don't hand over our ability to defend, and protect our own interests when we join with the UN Joe. Even though that is what liberals would like to see happen.


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    Absolutely!

    The United States didn't give it's agreements, treaties, membership to various defense organization, its sovereignty, etc. when they joined the United Nations. To claim that the US cannot act in its own self interests, without prior approval from the UN, is ludicrous.

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    Re: U.S. ignored reports of Iraqi abuse: documents

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Absolutely!

    The United States didn't give it's agreements, treaties, membership to various defense organization, its sovereignty, etc. when they joined the United Nations. To claim that the US cannot act in its own self interests, without prior approval from the UN, is ludicrous.
    It's not the claim, yet another misrepresentation by your side. We may certainly defend ourselves, and act when justified. But, like all agreements, when we break them, we violate not only law, but our word, our credibility, ourselves.
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    Re: U.S. ignored reports of Iraqi abuse: documents

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What you keep saying is so totally wrong it is laughable. But let's suppose that you are correct that only the UN can enforce their mandates. Then:

    1. Explain how they do that

    2. Please show me where the United States, or any other sovereign country has foregone that sovereignty in order to allow their own planes, or any other interest to be in harms way.

    We don't hand over our ability to defend, and protect our own interests when we join with the UN Joe. Even though that is what liberals would like to see happen.


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    It's not wrong j. The US acted under a UN mandate. Iraq had not invaded the US, but Kuwait. And rightly, the UN said, no you can't do that. They called on memebers to form an army to push them back. We responded under a unified banner, and not a single US only act. Iraq agreed to terms. And the UN signed off on them. It was a proper UN actions. And only when the UN calls for nations to act can you act in their name, for BREAKING THEIR AGREEMENTS.

    And don't start with the false cliam that anyone has suggested the US gave up sovereignty. Nothing has been suggested. Strawmen are easy to beat, which is probably hy your side throws up so many of them. Invading Iraq was not in our interest. It did not protect us. it merely cost us. In fact, invading was contrary to our interests. It has cost us much in terms of money and lives, more in credibility and help our enemies more than any other action would have. It may have made those with the fever feel better, but it was not in our interests.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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