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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, and your house wouldn't be broken into if you didn't build it. Thus, if you get robbed, it's your fault.
    My house is a good thing, attacking a country that wasn't a threat is bad. Major fail.


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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    And the pro-war folks latched on to the lowest. So what?
    Do you find either practice credible?
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    My house is a good thing, attacking a country that wasn't a threat is bad. Major fail.
    Hardly. The insurgents caused the deaths they caused, and it was entirely of their own volition.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Either way, those deaths would have not occurred if we didn't invade.
    Imagine that the police surrounded a house to arrest a bunch of members of the mafia. Imagine that the mafia members start shooting at the police, killing some police officers and bystanders. Do you blame the deaths of those civilians on the fact that the police tried to arrest the mafia members?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Do you find either practice credible?
    I don't really care whether 100,000 or 1,000,000 people died because such a quantitative analysis is irrelevant to the situation and my position on it. There's more important things here to consider than to quabble over the number of people that were killed.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    The documents are in the public domain, and Assange is not a U.S. national so the U.S. has no business trying to detain him in foreign lands. If you don't want documents getting out then you maintain security. The **** up here was with the U.S. military and no one else.

    If 1/1,000th of what the government keeps secret ever got out, there would be a revolution tomorrow. Our governments think they are above the law and that they can use our money to do whatever they want. The truth always becomes known, sooner or later.

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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I don't really care whether 100,000 or 1,000,000 people died because such a quantitative analysis is irrelevant to the situation and my position on it.
    Yet you felt the need to comment. Hmmm.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The documents are in the public domain.
    Ummmm . . . no, they're not.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Yet you felt the need to comment. Hmmm.
    Yes, I did, because I felt that your portrayal of the "pacifist screechers" was completely one-sided. Just because I feel that the debate over numbers is relatively unimportant doesn't mean I'm not going to call someone out on their bull**** when they put forward a ridiculous and one-sided assertion. For the exact same reason that I would, for example, comment on how it's stupid for someone to say that Stalin is responsible for 100 million deaths.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, and your house wouldn't be broken into if you didn't build it. Thus, if you get robbed, it's your fault.
    That's a pretty stupid analogy. If someone robbed me, it is the robber's fault. When they get caught they go to jail because they shouldn't have robbed me in the first place.

    The Iraq war turned into a regime change operation. And over a hundred thousand Iraqis have lost their lives while millions have seen their lives turned upside down. Why do people keep defending this war?
    "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, it to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." —John Adams

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