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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No but actions usually reserved for totalitarian governments isn't something I think our government should participate in.
    I believe our government should take any action neccessary to prevent acts like this from taking place. This leak has endangered American lives.

    So someone wanting to take information that the government doesn't want to share the public because it looks negative is a spy? A spy for who? American voters?
    I think it's an insult to Americans as a whole, to insinuate that this leak was done in the best interests of the country and it's citizens.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's all fine-n-good, but I want someone alot more qualified and possessing the proper authority to make that decision. Wikileaks doesn't fit that description, not did they segregate any of the information that was to be released. They just released it all.
    That would be the best scenario but that would never come out of our government until after a decade of review and with 90% of the data blacked out.

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    Friendly lives have been put in danger by this leak. The perpatrators deserve to die for their crime.
    What data exactly puts American's in danger and what causes that danger?
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's all fine-n-good, but I want someone alot more qualified and possessing the proper authority to make that decision. Wikileaks doesn't fit that description, not did they segregate any of the information that was to be released. They just released it all.
    This does not happen often, but i agree 100 % here with apdst. When it is some random person who releases the information, the potential for bad far outweighs the potential for good. The system in place for evaluating secret information for general release is not perfect, but it is much better than just leaking masses of documents.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    That would be the best scenario but that would never come out of our government until after a decade of review and with 90% of the data blacked out.
    Well, if that's what it takes, then so be it.


    What data exactly puts American's in danger and what causes that danger?
    Opeartional SOP's, information concerning tactical doctrine, the names of personel, names of Iraqi collaborators. There's no telling whatelse is in there. WE don't know what all's in there and that's exaclty the reason that just any richard cranium with a undercover contact and a website can't be allowed to make the call as to what is safe to release and what isn't.

    Ask yourself one question: what qualifies this guy to make this call?

    My answer to that question is, nothing; therefore, he shouldn't be allowed to make it.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Opeartional SOP's, information concerning tactical doctrine, the names of personel, names of Iraqi collaborators. There's no telling whatelse is in there. WE don't know what all's in there and that's exaclty the reason that just any richard cranium with a undercover contact and a website can't be allowed to make the call as to what is safe to release and what isn't.

    Ask yourself one question: what qualifies this guy to make this call?

    My answer to that question is, nothing; therefore, he shouldn't be allowed to make it.
    So your absolute that American lives will be lost with the release of these documents is based on the possibility of content that may or may not be contained in the documents?

    No I don't think this guy is qualified to do so. I would rather these document be released with all personal and tactical information stripped out. If I was him I would do just that before releasing the documents. The only information that should be released is the overview analysis of the impacy of operations. That includes death tolls, reason for death, resuces, succesful transitions of securiy forces, etc.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Incredibly misleading headline.

    "The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 'civilians'; 23,984 'enemy' (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 'host nation' (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 'friendly' (coalition forces),"
    It also doesn't break down who caused each of those deaths. I'd wager that the vast majority of the civilian and host nation deaths were caused by the insurgents.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Regardless, I think that both this and the Afghan leak show the complete impotence of the media in doing their job by reporting the real story, instead of whining to Assange about how some former Wikileaks employee is upset or some such bull****.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Almost 300,000 deaths caused indirectly/directly by our invasion into Iraq?

    I think I'm going to be sick.
    Well, the usual "pacifist" screecher groups have insisted for years that it's more than a million.
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw
    Well, the usual "pacifist" screecher groups have insisted for years that it's more than a million.
    I doubt the Opinion Research Business is a "pacifist screecher group".
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    Re: Wikileaks: Secret Iraq War Death Toll Set at 285,000

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Incredibly misleading headline.



    It also doesn't break down who caused each of those deaths. I'd wager that the vast majority of the civilian and host nation deaths were caused by the insurgents.
    The report does say that over 45K of the civilian deaths were from IED and murders.
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