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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You must have forgotten that the Southern colonies were all represented in the Continental Congress by 'conservatives', who were well off, influential, slave owning and supporting men who wanted those things to remain part of their lives in the new country they were trying to form. Were the southern delegates any less founding fathers than the northern?
    Touche. I should have deleted that last point "equal rights for everyone". That was their hypocrisy, they only believed in equal rights for WASP, and considered anyone else second class citizens.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Liberals are for change, progression, secularization and equal rights for everyone. This sounds like are founding fathers. Conservatives want to keep things the way they are, discriminate against certain classes and want to enforce social control based on Christian ideologies. Please explain how are founding fathers were in-line with modern day conservatives.
    Liberals are for destruction of tradition, dependency, devaluing of human life, and creating special classes of people based on race and gender. Conservatives want to respect traditions, treating people equal under the law, allow for individual excellence, and believe that every view point and action isn't inherently "okay".

    Isn't it wonderful when you use hyperbolic stereotyping to overgeneralize and narrowly describe through bias the opposite side in the worst way possible while putting the best spin possible on your own all in the misguided notion that you're making some kind of enlightening point? Its so fun!

    The entire notion of arguing which side is "more like the founders" is a bit ridiculous because there's issues on both sides that break with them. While an argument could be made one or the other is "closer", the only reason such an irrelevant argument is made is to try and imply that by being "Closer" that they represent the ideals of the founders.

    Not to mention this entire notion that the founders are some kind of monolithic entity where the entire group viewed situations all in a singular way is ridiculous. There are undoubtably some founding fathers that likely thought closer in line with todays democrats, others with todays republicans, others with todays libertarians, and still others who likely bare show any true relation to any of them. Its a rather pointless dick measuring contest.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny DooWop View Post
    Liberals are for change, progression, secularization and equal rights for everyone. This sounds like are founding fathers.
    If you think so, then you have no idea what the Revolution was about.

    Conservatives want to keep things the way they are, discriminate against certain classes and want to enforce social control based on Christian ideologies. Please explain how are founding fathers were in-line with modern day conservatives.
    Even taking this slobberingly self-serving definition of "conservatives" as gospel, you should probably research the actual men who were our Founders a bit more.

    And, once again, you should probably find out what the Revolution was actually about.
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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, I'm saying there's no "terrorists threats" that's being discussed in this thread
    Threatening violence if the American people don't vote how you want them to is a terrorist threat - one Republicans have been making with increasing impunity ever since 2008. And I'm saying we will not be intimidated. Hopefully that's clear enough.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

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    Threatening violence if the American people don't vote how you want them to is a terrorist threat
    What candidate is making those threats? Specific quotes? What political party has that as some kind of platform? What commonly held Tea Party document or individual has stated this?

    one Republicans have been making with increasing impunity ever since 2008.
    Please show me quotes of Republicans, especially in any kind of significant number, suggesting violence if people don't vote how they want.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What candidate is making those threats? Specific quotes? What political party has that as some kind of platform? What commonly held Tea Party document or individual has stated this?



    Please show me quotes of Republicans, especially in any kind of significant number, suggesting violence if people don't vote how they want.
    you know that angle has specifically brought up "second amendment remedies".......

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you know that angle has specifically brought up "second amendment remedies".......
    Specific quote please.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Specific quote please.
    Nev. Senate hopeful Sharron Angle talks of armed revolt | ScrippsNews

    tea party candidate. a total nutcase.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Liblady, the following:

    "Our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason, and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government," Angle told conservative talk show host Lars Larson in January. "In fact, Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."
    Is HUGELY different than this

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Threatening violence if the American people don't vote how you want them to is a terrorist threat
    Sharon Angle is not "theatening violence", indeed she states that she hopes there is no violence. She is not talking about "votes" but actions. She is not speaking about herself, but about what she thinks others are doing.

    Every quote of her your post presented had her specifically saying she hopes that's not what happens or doesn't want that ot happen, none of it is her threatening it, none of them are advocating it. It is a large leap to go from her stating that she thinks, but hopes its not the case, that people are approaching the desire to take "second amendment remedies" if congress doesn't change what its doing and her "threatening violence if people don't vote her way".

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Liblady, the following:



    Is HUGELY different than this



    Sharon Angle is not "theatening violence", indeed she states that she hopes there is no violence. She is not talking about "votes" but actions. She is not speaking about herself, but about what she thinks others are doing.

    Every quote of her your post presented had her specifically saying she hopes that's not what happens or doesn't want that ot happen, none of it is her threatening it, none of them are advocating it. It is a large leap to go from her stating that she thinks, but hopes its not the case, that people are approaching the desire to take "second amendment remedies" if congress doesn't change what its doing and her "threatening violence if people don't vote her way".
    i disagee.....the fact that she brings up "second amendment remedies" at all is troubling. saying "she hopes" people don't resort to that is disengenuous. because what she is really saying is that if she doesn't win, all hell will break loose.

    Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who's in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical...

    Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.

    Angle: Well it's to defend ourselves. And you know, I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems
    now, what do you suppose she means? i don't understand why some of you can't admit that she is bat**** crazy.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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