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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I know that. I was asking... WHY have we never done it anywhere but the Presidency?
    Ever since Washington, it was traditional to think of the Presidency as a two term affair. FDR was the only President to have more than 2 full terms. And the amendment went in shortly afterwards to prevent future Presidents from running for more than 2 terms.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Because for SOME! conservatives, it's perfectly okay to talk about sedition against the United States government when the Democrats are in charge.
    But god help a liberal (And god won't, cause we all know Liberals and Democrats are godless, communist, Black Theoligical marxist, terrorist sympathising) for saying anything against a Republican administration... blah blah blah you get the point.

    I'm combatting Hyperbole with Hyperbole.
    Regardless of which party is 'in charge', if the situation warranted it, violent overthrow is certainly possible. It's why we are here to have this discourse in the first place.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Regardless of which party is 'in charge', if the situation warranted it, violent overthrow is certainly possible. It's why we are here to have this discourse in the first place.
    Well there's the thing. I advocate violent overthrow of a despotic and violent and oppressive regime.

    Which is not what Obama's administration is.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ever since Washington, it was traditional to think of the Presidency as a two term affair. FDR was the only President to have more than 2 full terms. And the amendment went in shortly afterwards to prevent future Presidents from running for more than 2 terms.
    Again, I understand that. You're addressing the term limit question in regards to the Presidency only, and not answering my question.

    I'm asking why have we not added term limits to the House and Senate as well? If we can approve of barring a President from serving more than 2 terms, why can't we set limits for the House and Senate as well?

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well there's the thing. I advocate violent overthrow of a despotic and violent and oppressive regime.
    Which is not what Obama's administration is.
    It doesn't have to be a despotic and oppressive regime for violent overthrow to be warranted... at least not according to the founding fathers...

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government...
    Destructive of these ends, which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. VERY open ended and could be interpreted in any number of ways. Purposely so I believe.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well there's the thing. I advocate violent overthrow of a despotic and violent and oppressive regime.

    Which is not what Obama's administration is.
    Have any of the Presidencies been so? I don't think so.


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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A pure, direct democracy is a bad thing. It's mob rule. There has to be some protection in the system from popularism. The founders knew this too. And as for the 17th. I'm not against repealing that. The fact is that the Senate was not supposed to support or represent the People, it was supposed to support and represent the States. That way you had the check from the People via the House and the check from the States via the Senate. Problems arose with State governments being corrupt and not seating senators; but I think those problems could have been addressed directly; instead of going to the popular vote of the Senate. I do not agree with the Senate being popularly elected because they forget their position as representatives of the State and State power.
    I understand that. But let me ask you this. Let's say we repeal the 17th. If the Senate goes against the wishes of the People, and this is how the government is designed, then does the People still have the right to revolt when the Senate blocks the wishes of the People?

    On one hand it is said that the People have the right to violently revolt against the government when it goes against it's wishes. On the other hand it is said that the People should have less direct powers over the government.

    Quite the contradiction.

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I understand that. But let me ask you this. Let's say we repeal the 17th. If the Senate goes against the wishes of the People, and this is how the government is designed, then does the People still have the right to revolt when the Senate blocks the wishes of the People?

    On one hand it is said that the People have the right to violently revolt against the government when it goes against it's wishes. On the other hand it is said that the People should have less direct powers over the government.

    Quite the contradiction.
    Not against its wishes. The People have the right to violently revolt against the government when it goes against our freedom and liberty too grievously for too long. There are lots of things we may want, but which is not proper domain of the government so we can't really do it. That doesn't mean we revolt over that. It's oppressive and tyrannical government which we rightfully, legitimately, and dutifully revolt against. The Senate is to be another check on the federal government's power. That is, it was supposed to fight for State's rights and powers so that the States can retain more power against an expansive federal government. It doesn't work that way, hell I'd go so far as to say none of the Congress is working as intended. Senate was supposed to represent State interest, whereas the House was to represent the People's interests. And between those competing forces, the federal government remains limited. Well that was the theory anyway.

    So back when the Senators were not popularly elected, if the Senate somehow acted against the rights and liberties of the People then you took it up with the State. If the House joined in and they kept it up; then the People could legitimately revolt. I don't see this as a contradiction, but rather an acknowledgment of the imperfect nature of government and the inherent dangers it can pose.
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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Hey! Saber rattling from the Right! Do not be concerned. Look back throughout the history of all nations and empires and point out to me the revolutions that were started by the Right.

    I'll wait......

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    Re: Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on th

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Hey! Saber rattling from the Right! Do not be concerned. Look back throughout the history of all nations and empires and point out to me the revolutions that were started by the Right.

    I'll wait......
    How about the American Revolution?

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