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    Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    - Military tightens controls on gay discharges | Reuters

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates issued a memo on Thursday scaling back the authority to kick out troops under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," which allows gay men and lesbians to serve in secret but discharges them if their sexual orientation is revealed.


    Now, only the heads of the Army, Navy and Air Force, in coordination with two other officials, will be allowed to approve such discharges, as opposed to the hundreds of officers who could previously enforce the ban.
    In essence, now only the very top officials in the military can make a ruling over whether to discharge someone over DADT rules.

    This seems like a sensible approach until the issue is settled once and for all.

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    The problem remains with being discharged because of some tattling bull****. If that were eliminated, then DADT would make some kind of sense. If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue then you shouldn't be dismissed.

    Someone else tattling on you like a bratty kindergartner concerning your orientation should have no effect on your military service whatsoever.

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    The problem remains with being discharged because of some tattling bull****. If that were eliminated, then DADT would make some kind of sense. If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue then you shouldn't be dismissed.

    Someone else tattling on you like a bratty kindergartner concerning your orientation should have no effect on your military service whatsoever.

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    I agree. But the miliitary is correct in attempting to stabilize the process through more controls until there is a final outcome.

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    The problem remains with being discharged because of some tattling bull****. If that were eliminated, then DADT would make some kind of sense. If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue then you shouldn't be dismissed.

    Someone else tattling on you like a bratty kindergartner concerning your orientation should have no effect on your military service whatsoever.

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    So, if a soldier sees another soldier commit a crime, that soldier should, "tattle"?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    I wonder what percent of these discharges are from Tattling and what percent are from opportunists with less than a year in uniform who simply want out (???)

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    The problem remains with being discharged because of some tattling bull****. If that were eliminated, then DADT would make some kind of sense. If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue then you shouldn't be dismissed.
    If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue, then there will be nothing for anyone to "tattle" on you about.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue, then there will be nothing for anyone to "tattle" on you about.
    Until you want a personal life ...

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If you conduct yourself in a way that your sexuality is a non-issue, then there will be nothing for anyone to "tattle" on you about.
    Anyone's sexuality should be a non-issue, without anyone having to fear discharge from just mentioning who they are dating, whether those fears are warranted or not. If a heterosexual is allowed to discuss boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife with the other people they serve with, then so should a homosexual. And a homosexual should be allowed to commit to the person they love in any way that they wish without being discharged for it, since a heterosexual is allowed to do this.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Until you want a personal life ...
    nah, you just keep your personal life...personal. I suspect one of my soldiers is gay. He talks about his best friend, who he shares a house with, as heteros talk about their girlfriends. His best friend is his beneficiary on his serviceman's life insurance. and dozens of other small "clues". He is also one of the finest PLL clerks I have ever seen. Unless he tells somebody that he blew his best friend over the weekend or gets caught french kissing him in public. I could care less. And if some busybody comes to me and tries to "tattle" they better have a spotless record or I will find some petty detail and nail their ass to the wall over it.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    nah, you just keep your personal life...personal. I suspect one of my soldiers is gay. He talks about his best friend, who he shares a house with, as heteros talk about their girlfriends. His best friend is his beneficiary on his serviceman's life insurance. and dozens of other small "clues". He is also one of the finest PLL clerks I have ever seen. Unless he tells somebody that he blew his best friend over the weekend or gets caught french kissing him in public. I could care less. And if some busybody comes to me and tries to "tattle" they better have a spotless record or I will find some petty detail and nail their ass to the wall over it.
    So you believe in the notion of separate but equal.

    That will never work and no one should be expected to hide. If you are offended by who someone is committed to, that is YOUR problem and not theirs. They should not be discharged due to someone else's lack of maturity.

    Gays have been expressing themselves through secret code long enough. The military is the last bastion of social backwardness and needs to be dragged into the modern world, kicking and screaming if necessary. I feel no sympathy for people who take personal offense to it either. In fact, at this point, I get a kick out of your discomfort.
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