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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    So you believe in the notion of separate but equal.

    That will never work and no one should be expected to hide. If you are offended by who someone is committed to, that is YOUR problem and not theirs. They should not be discharged due to someone else's lack of maturity.
    That is not equal either. Since strait soldiers could be caught kissing their partner with no repercussions, but the gay soldier cannot, it is not equal.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

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    That is not equal either. Since strait soldiers could be caught kissing their partner with no repercussions, but the gay soldier cannot, it is not equal.
    I know... but I am talking about the most BASIC level of inequality happening: not even being allowed to talk about your loved ones.

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    So you believe in the notion of separate but equal.
    how in the bloody hell did you get that out of what I posted?

    That will never work and no one should be expected to hide. If you are offended by who someone is committed to, that is YOUR problem and not theirs. They should not be discharged due to someone else's lack of maturity.
    again, where did I say anything even resembling this?

    Gays have been expressing themselves through secret code long enough. The military is the last bastion of social backwardness and needs to be dragged into the modern world, kicking and screaming if necessary. I feel no sympathy for people who take personal offense to it either. In fact, at this point, I get a kick out of your discomfort.
    what discomfort? I get a kick out of how hopelessly clueless you are as to my attitude. flame on brother.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    nah, you just keep your personal life...personal. I suspect one of my soldiers is gay. He talks about his best friend, who he shares a house with, as heteros talk about their girlfriends. His best friend is his beneficiary on his serviceman's life insurance. and dozens of other small "clues". He is also one of the finest PLL clerks I have ever seen. Unless he tells somebody that he blew his best friend over the weekend or gets caught french kissing him in public. I could care less. And if some busybody comes to me and tries to "tattle" they better have a spotless record or I will find some petty detail and nail their ass to the wall over it.
    Why should just being "caught french kissing {a guy} in public" be reason for discharge? I can french kiss my husband in public and no one can punish me for it. I could french kiss my husband and any other guy I was dating in public before I got married. Honestly, if my husband was alright with it and I was willing to do it, I could french kiss another guy in public without getting in trouble, since kissing alone is not adultery. And if a heterosexual guy can brag about getting a bj without getting in trouble for it, I see no reason why a homosexual can't brag about giving or receiving one. Sodomy is definitely one of those UCMJ rules that should go away. It is none of the military's business what a couple does in the bedroom, as long as it causes no problems in their job performance. I can almost see the problems of adultery, eventhough, technically adultery isn't actually listed specifically as a rule, but is rather covered under a sub-section of Article 134 and requires "that, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces". This same distinction is not in the sodomy rule. Any act of sodomy is automatically considered wrong.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    not saying it's right, just how it currently is. have a little patience and stop the bithcing.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    So you believe in the notion of separate but equal.

    That will never work and no one should be expected to hide. If you are offended by who someone is committed to, that is YOUR problem and not theirs. They should not be discharged due to someone else's lack of maturity.

    Gays have been expressing themselves through secret code long enough. The military is the last bastion of social backwardness and needs to be dragged into the modern world, kicking and screaming if necessary. I feel no sympathy for people who take personal offense to it either. In fact, at this point, I get a kick out of your discomfort.
    You totally missed the crux of his post, huh?

    It's starting to sound like an ego trip--getting the chance to put them mean ole army mens in their place, finally--more than just fighting for the rights of a group of people.

    I think alot of the folks crying about this, need to enlist, or just shutup about it.
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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    nah, you just keep your personal life...personal. I suspect one of my soldiers is gay. He talks about his best friend, who he shares a house with, as heteros talk about their girlfriends. His best friend is his beneficiary on his serviceman's life insurance. and dozens of other small "clues". He is also one of the finest PLL clerks I have ever seen. Unless he tells somebody that he blew his best friend over the weekend or gets caught french kissing him in public. I could care less. And if some busybody comes to me and tries to "tattle" they better have a spotless record or I will find some petty detail and nail their ass to the wall over it.
    This sentence right here is why DADT is wrong.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Military tightens controls on gay discharges

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This sentence right here is why DADT is wrong.
    Technically--in the Army, anyway--a male and a female showing much more affection than just holding hands, is prohibited. Groping, french kissing, etc. are forbidden, even while off duty and off post. it's certainly forbidden, while off duty on post.

    When I was in Germany, the division commander issued a policy letter that forbade any sort of PDA by his soldiers, even if off duty, out of uniform and off post.

    His justification? One of his soldiers was slobberin' all over another soldier's g/f. The second soldier chopped the first soldier's head off, leaving the body in a dumpster outside the barracks and the head was FedEx'd to the female in question.

    His leagal authority? Article 134 of The UCMJ:

    "all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty"

    If a general, or flag officer; the Secretary of Defense; or the President doesn't want his gay soldiers engaging in PDA, then he is well within his authority to issue an order prohibiting any PDA, at all, by anyone. Failure to obey can result in being court martialed under Article 92 --Failure to Obey Order, or Regulation.

    Now that you've been educated, you can stop trippin'.

    I think the anti-DADT folks really need to slow their roll. The worst thing you can do, is attempt to tell a division commander how he's going to run his unit. He will prove you wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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