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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why don't you go first?
    I know I wasn't the one asked, but isn't the answer pretty obvious about what the founding fathers wanted the federal government to be? They wanted a limited government that ensured people the necessary freedom to pursue their own prosperity, not a government that provides an individual that prosperity.

    The federal government was given the power of impeachment, the power to tax and collect taxes, to regulate both foreign and state to state commerce, to make and enforce immigration laws, create a monetary system, create and fund a military for national defense, and the power to declare war on other nations. When it came to things like health care initiatives, alcohol laws, and education (just to name a few), those were issues that were originally intended to be addressed on a state level, not a federal one.

    The federal government was not designed or intended to be a provider for the people, but instead to protect peoples individual freedoms and rights so they could provide for themselves. It was never intended to guarantee an individuals happiness. It was created to guarantee that every individual had the freedom and legal right to pursue their own happiness. In other words, on an individual level, the only thing the federal government was every supposed to provide people with, was opportunity... not results.

    It's called "Freedom"... The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    HINT…I don’t like Obama care
    almost no one outside this woebegone white house does

    During the current midterms the repugs would be wearing the collar of stopping healthcare
    no more than the gatekeeper himself

    your immaturity is stunning

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Ha, there isn't a Marxist in the White House. However, one could consider Koch a plutocrat.

    (I knew you couldn't resist coming back, you signed on to DP several times while you were on vacation.)
    Is that what the voices from Media Matters told you?
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Speaking of playbooks, here is Newts 1994 playbook. Step 1: Avoid Responsibility for GOP Failures. Step 2: Increase Negativity. Step 3: “Throw the Bums Out!” Step 4: The Contract on America

    Kinda looks like they should be sending residuals to Newt doesn’t it?As for as your asserting that “Republicans couldn't stop a thing even if they wanted to, didn't have the votes “.They set a new record on filibusters and even managed to filibuster things they wanted in their districts.




    It takes more than two years to correct eight years of incompetence.
    Right, 1994? Interesting that you and others continue to divert to the past in an attempt to ignore the present. Name for me one Obama prediction that has been accurate? Then address the actual results of the Obama economic policy.

    We don't elect a King therefore what Bush did he did with the help of Democrats who controlled Congress from January 2007 to the end of his term. The recession began in December 2007 almost one year after the Democrats took control of Congress. It ended according to NBER in June 2009 yet today unemployment is higher every month this year vs. last, economic growth is less than last year, and 3 trillion has been added to the debt. So much for the "recovery summer!"

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I know I wasn't the one asked, but isn't the answer pretty obvious about what the founding fathers wanted the federal government to be? They wanted a limited government that ensured people the necessary freedom to pursue their own prosperity, not a government that provides an individual that prosperity.

    The federal government was given the power of impeachment, the power to tax and collect taxes, to regulate both foreign and state to state commerce, to make and enforce immigration laws, create a monetary system, create and fund a military for national defense, and the power to declare war on other nations. When it came to things like health care initiatives, alcohol laws, and education (just to name a few), those were issues that were originally intended to be addressed on a state level, not a federal one.

    The federal government was not designed or intended to be a provider for the people, but instead to protect peoples individual freedoms and rights so they could provide for themselves. It was never intended to guarantee an individuals happiness. It was created to guarantee that every individual had the freedom and legal right to pursue their own happiness. In other words, on an individual level, the only thing the federal government was every supposed to provide people with, was opportunity... not results.

    It's called "Freedom"... The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail.
    Couldn't say it better!

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    < A secretive network of Republican donors is heading to the Palm Springs area for a long weekend in January, but it will not be to relax after a hard-fought election — it will be to plan for the next one.>

    <The participants in Aspen dined under the stars at the top of the gondola run on Aspen Mountain, and listened to Glenn Beck of Fox News in a session titled, “Is America on the Road to Serfdom? >
    These guys are so crazy secretive that they've got their own New York Times article detailing gondola rides and listening habits!

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    <To encourage new participants, Mr. Koch offers to waive the $1,500 registration fee. And he notes that previous guests have included Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court, Gov. Haley Barbour and Gov. Bobby Jindal, Senators Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn, and Representatives Mike Pence, Tom Price and Paul D. Ryan.
    Oh! And everybody know you can't be a secret organization unless your membership and group incentives are published to national audience.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Mr. Koch also notes the beautiful setting. But he advises against thinking of this as a vacation.
    Now this part just pisses me off. The group met in a beautiful setting?? I mean, WTF.

    It's like they're rubbing our noses in the fact that they're so secretive that they can gather in verdant mountain pastures and enjoy the sun while the rest of secretive types are forced to dank, colorless basements in abandoned buildings.


    Great article. Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

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    Right, 1994? Interesting that you and others continue to divert to the past in an attempt to ignore the present.
    As your try to divert from the topic we are discussing while ragging me about a …DIVERSION. Like you said, its interesting.

    Name for me one Obama prediction that has been accurate? Then address the actual results of the Obama economic policy.
    See above.

    We don't elect a King therefore what Bush did he did with the help of Democrats who controlled Congress from January 2007 to the end of his term.
    Bush only vetoed one bill prior to January 2007,after January 2007 he vetoed eleven bills. Hhhmm…wonder what happened ?

    The recession began in December 2007 almost one year after the Democrats took control of Congress.
    YET More Private Sector Jobs Created In 2010 Than During Entire Bush Years.Pretty Amazing isn’t it?




    It ended according to NBER in June 2009 yet today unemployment is higher every month this year vs. last, economic growth is less than last year, and 3 trillion has been added to the debt. So much for the "recovery summer!
    According to the above,the private sector has added 863,000 jobs so far this year. Not nearly enough but like I said in previous threads, its at least pointed in the right direction….UP.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    As your try to divert from the topic we are discussing while ragging me about a …DIVERSION. Like you said, its interesting.



    See above.



    Bush only vetoed one bill prior to January 2007,after January 2007 he vetoed eleven bills. Hhhmm…wonder what happened ?



    YET More Private Sector Jobs Created In 2010 Than During Entire Bush Years.Pretty Amazing isn’t it?






    According to the above,the private sector has added 863,000 jobs so far this year. Not nearly enough but like I said in previous threads, its at least pointed in the right direction….UP.
    So with all that job creation explain to me why unemployment is higher every month of 2010 than it was in 2009?

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
    2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
    2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
    2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
    2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
    2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
    2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
    2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
    2008 7628 7435 7793 7631 8397 8560 8895 9509 9569 10172 10617 11400
    2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612 15340 15267
    2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623 14599 14860 14767

    Discouraged workers
    2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
    2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
    2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209

    Unemployed + Discouraged
    2008 8095 7831 8194 8043 8797 8980 9356 9890 10036 10656 11225 12042
    2009 12653 13445 13995 14556 15310 15514 15330 15751 15865 16420 16201 16196
    2010 15902 16075 15999 16457 16056 15830 15784 15970 15976 0 0 0

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    < A secretive network of Republican donors is heading to the Palm Springs area for a long weekend in January, but it will not be to relax after a hard-fought election — it will be to plan for the next one.>

    <The participants in Aspen dined under the stars at the top of the gondola run on Aspen Mountain, and listened to Glenn Beck of Fox News in a session titled, “Is America on the Road to Serfdom? >
    Yeah.... so?
    What's this supposed to indicate? That the GOP might try to win in 2012?
    Oh! Those villans!

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    President is not responsible for adding $3 trillion to the debt, your hero President Bush is responsible for much of it. When President Obama entered the WH there was a $1.3 trillion deficit waiting for him.
    This is, of course, false, unless you can show that all of the $1.3T FY2009 deficit occured prior to Jan 21 2009.

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