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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

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    National Healthcare!!! this lame a** plan that don’t kick in until 2014, you call this National Healthcare? Its not a pimple on Medicare’s a** and Medicare isn’t even in the same ballpark with “National Healthcare”.
    Obviously you have never run a business and have never had to pay premiums nor are you paying any attention to what is going on in the country. Rates are going up to fund Obamacare, companies are dropping their coverage which violates another Obama promise that if you like your doctor and healthcare plan you can keep it, CBO has increased the cost estimates to the taxpayers, and the unfunded mandate to the states for Medicaid and the requirement to purchase health insurance is probably unconstitutional.

    What hospitals does Obamacare plan on Nationalizing? How many Medical Doctors do they plan on drafting into Obamacare? Why is it that most of the Healthcare Companies stock shot up in unison as soon as this abortion was hatched?
    You are indeed confused but that is another story. Most Obama supporters are. Who said anything about nationalizing hospitals although as more and more drop coverage the demand is going to be for single payer and that will result in nationalization of hospitals and drafting doctors. The more dependence Obama generates the less freedom and choice the American people have.

    The only redeeming thing that see is that this THING can, hopefully, be made something that resembles… say Medicare, or the VA,sometime in the future.[/
    "This thing" has no chance of improving healthcare quality or quantity and is just one of many disasters this President has imposed on the American people in just two short years. Not one of his economic predictions has come true and he continues to promote a far left agenda that is too costly and focused on shifting this country left of Europe.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

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    Obviously you have never run a business and have never had to pay premiums nor are you paying any attention to what is going on in the country. Rates are going up to fund Obamacare, companies are dropping their coverage which violates another Obama promise that if you like your doctor and healthcare plan you can keep it, CBO has increased the cost estimates to the taxpayers, and the unfunded mandate to the states for Medicaid and the requirement to purchase health insurance is probably unconstitutional.
    All of that might be true but it isn’t “National Healthcare” nor “wealth redistribution”, shared prosperity” which I was replying to when I posted this, which you were responding to.

    “National Healthcare!!! this lame a** plan that don’t kick in until 2014, you call this National Healthcare? Its not a pimple on Medicare’s a** and Medicare isn’t even in the same ballpark with “National Healthcare”.


    You are indeed confused but that is another story. Most Obama supporters are. Who said anything about nationalizing hospitals although as more and more drop coverage the demand is going to be for single payer and that will result in nationalization of hospitals and drafting doctors. The more dependence Obama generates the less freedom and choice the American people have.
    Let me direct your attention to post#30 when you posted this.

    What do you call "wealth redistribution", "social justice", "shared prosperity", "collective salvation" if not Marxist ideals. National Healthcare, taxing the rich, massive growth in govt? Open those eyes of yours and think.
    What were you implying in the bolded part of your ride on that slippery slope with the strawman that you so carefully built? ‘National healthcare”? National Healthcare means the nation runs, and owns the facilities, including the hospitals and the Docs are all on salary.





    "This thing" has no chance of improving healthcare quality or quantity and is just one of many disasters this President has imposed on the American people in just two short years. Not one of his economic predictions has come true and he continues to promote a far left agenda that is too costly and focused on shifting this country left of Europe.
    Nah, he wouldn’t have had a problem if he had listened to the people further left then he is, instead of trying to suck up to the party of no. He should have said fu boner, this is what were going for and laid two sheets of papers in front of him.

    One paper, in big bold print, so there could not be any doubt would have on it “Medicare for all” the other would say “VA for all”. Now filibuster to you hearts content,let me know when your done.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    All of that might be true but it isn’t “National Healthcare” nor “wealth redistribution”, shared prosperity” which I was replying to when I posted this, which you were responding to.







    Let me direct your attention to post#30 when you posted this.



    What were you implying in the bolded part of your ride on that slippery slope with the strawman that you so carefully built? ‘National healthcare”? National Healthcare means the nation runs, and owns the facilities, including the hospitals and the Docs are all on salary.







    Nah, he wouldn’t have had a problem if he had listened to the people further left then he is, instead of trying to suck up to the party of no. He should have said fu boner, this is what were going for and laid two sheets of papers in front of him.

    One paper, in big bold print, so there could not be any doubt would have on it “Medicare for all” the other would say “VA for all”. Now filibuster to you hearts content,let me know when your done.
    The party of "No"? LOL, right out of the Democrat Play book. Democrats controlled Congress for the past 4 years, Republicans couldn't stop a thing even if they wanted to, didn't have the votes.

    Seems to me you have a problem with personal responsibility. Tell me what you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is as intended by our Founders? Barack Obama is a far left President out of touch with the majority in this country. He won the election with 52% of the vote, a non partisan majority and he has destroyed that majority and has lost about 10%. Now there are still people that don't get it but will soon.

    Your President has had total control of the Govt. for the past two years. NBER says the recession ended in June 2009 and yet unemployment every month of 2010 is higher than it was last year, economic growth each qtr of 2010 is less than 2009, and he has added 3 trillion to the debt in just two years. Over 16 million Americans are unemployed and not paying much in Federal income taxes yet this President wants to raise taxes on the rich because he seems to believe that people keeping more of their own money is an expense to the govt. Democrats call these making things better, most in this country call it what it really is, a failure.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Would you please explain to me that term corporate welfare? Are you saying that the govt. sends checks to those corporations out of the general fund? Or is it simply tax credits that a company can take off its corporate income taxes? All this concern about how much money the govt. gets and not how that money is spent by the govt.
    Corporate welfare isn't the important part. I was just looking for a way to squeeze in the word 'welfare'.

    The main issue is that the modern capitalist state is geared toward the support of businesses, yet businessmen gripe that they are being robbed. The money they are "robbed of" wouldn't exist, for example, without the institution of bankruptcy. Even if a person loses all their wealth, they keep their person and their freedom, so that they have the hope of recouping their lossses to some measure. In proto-modern capitalist states, instead of bankruptcy we would have slavery or debtor's prisons. Businessmen have to scale back their ambitions in those societies because there is no bankruptcy protocol to act as insurance against an investment gone sour. Wealthy people therefore depend on bankruptcy, as few people would dare risky enterprises that drive technology and prosperity forward unless they had some guarantee that their freedom, at least, isn't in jeopardy as they are making these decisions. Most modern businesses proceed from that guarantee that their freedom won't be in danger, just their finances. Otherwise, the United States would have a very different economy.

    Or, airlines, shipping, and trains. Both frequently consume vast supplies of energy, need government help, and are generally risky and unprofitable enterprises (not just in the United States), but the government stomachs those losses because they provide a comparatively cheap method of distribution that enables vanguards of the economy to succeed. That includes businesses that would be considered small.

    There are other examples (including corporate welfare, or all the fail safes leading up to bankruptcy), but you get the point. Businesses only grow so large as they do because of these supports, so if they have to pay large percentages of their income in exchange for the opportunity, then that's fair; they are still making more money than they would be in a proto-modern capitalist society.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    . Tell me what you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is as intended by our Founders?
    Why don't you go first?

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Democrats controlled Congress for the past 4 years, Republicans couldn't stop a thing even if they wanted to, didn't have the votes.
    From 2006 to 2008 was hardly controlling congress. They had a slight majority, but they didn't control it to the point where Republicans couldn't do anything about it.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Nah, he wouldn’t have had a problem if he had listened to the people further left then he is, instead of trying to suck up to the party of no. He should have said fu boner, this is what were going for and laid two sheets of papers in front of him.

    One paper, in big bold print, so there could not be any doubt would have on it “Medicare for all” the other would say “VA for all”. Now filibuster to you hearts content,let me know when your done.
    how astonishingly sophomoric

    had obama listened to anthony weiner and lynn woolsey and jay rockefeller, ron wyden, chuck schumer, he would certainly have lost kent conrad (budget chair), joe lieberman, ben nelson, byron dorgan, mark pryor, evan bayh, blanche lincoln, claire mccaskill, bill nelson and a number of others including, given the right accumulation of headlines, a senator as senior and sensible as difi

    heck, he'd've lost the gatekeeper himself, baucus

    you really don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    From 2006 to 2008 was hardly controlling congress. They had a slight majority, but they didn't control it to the point where Republicans couldn't do anything about it.
    And how does that differ from the situation from 2000 to 2006? Did the GOP control Congress to a point where the democrats had no impact/influence....??


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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

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    The party of "No"? LOL, right out of the Democrat Play book. Democrats controlled Congress for the past 4 years, Republicans couldn't stop a thing even if they wanted to, didn't have the votes.
    Speaking of playbooks, here is Newts 1994 playbook. Step 1: Avoid Responsibility for GOP Failures. Step 2: Increase Negativity. Step 3: “Throw the Bums Out!” Step 4: The Contract on America

    Kinda looks like they should be sending residuals to Newt doesn’t it?As for as your asserting that “Republicans couldn't stop a thing even if they wanted to, didn't have the votes “.They set a new record on filibusters and even managed to filibuster things they wanted in their districts.

    Seems to me you have a problem with personal responsibility. Tell me what you believe the role of the Federal Govt. is as intended by our Founders? Barack Obama is a far left President out of touch with the majority in this country. He won the election with 52% of the vote, a non partisan majority and he has destroyed that majority and has lost about 10%. Now there are still people that don't get it but will soon.

    Your President has had total control of the Govt. for the past two years. NBER says the recession ended in June 2009 and yet unemployment every month of 2010 is higher than it was last year, economic growth each qtr of 2010 is less than 2009, and he has added 3 trillion to the debt in just two years. Over 16 million Americans are unemployed and not paying much in Federal income taxes yet this President wants to raise taxes on the rich because he seems to believe that people keeping more of their own money is an expense to the govt. Democrats call these making things better, most in this country call it what it really is, a failure.

    It takes more than two years to correct eight years of incompetence.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how astonishingly sophomoric

    had obama listened to anthony weiner and lynn woolsey and jay rockefeller, ron wyden, chuck schumer, he would certainly have lost kent conrad (budget chair), joe lieberman, ben nelson, byron dorgan, mark pryor, evan bayh, blanche lincoln, claire mccaskill, bill nelson and a number of others including, given the right accumulation of headlines, a senator as senior and sensible as difi

    heck, he'd've lost the gatekeeper himself, baucus

    you really don't know what you're talking about
    You’re showing why you are on ignore for most of the posters on this forum. Sophomoric? Nah, sophomoric is someone that thinks they know what someone means when they take a cursory glance at their post before they understand what the poster means. I suggest that you go back and reread my post and then you might have a clue to what I was saying when I posted the part that you responded to.

    HINT…I don’t like Obama care; so why would I give a s*** if it died in Congress.HINT number two. During the current midterms the repugs would be wearing the collar of stopping healthcare, instead of the Dems going back to their districts and attempting to dodge and weave themselves out from under it.Now do you capiche?
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