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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    So Soros is subject to the same penalties and restrictions as all other convicted felons -- in the United States? Because if he is not, he is not a convicted felon.
    In or out of the United States has nothing to do with the fact that yes, he's a convicted felon.

    Sorry it makes a hero of the left look bad, but there it is. Your silly qualification is ludicrous, desperate, AND transparent.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    I never argued MM never made errors. The argument is from the right that MM deals with lies and deceptions. I post a link to a MM story as a source and teh right dismisses each story out of hand without a single challenge on facts. HAppens most every time.
    Then I guess you really can't see the logical problem with your challenge.


    Please stop trying to decieve.
    That's just sad. Spell out, in detail, my attempt at "deception."
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    1) I apologize, I missed the post where you asked for this. Can you link to this instance so I can better address it?
    Here you go:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059058739

    2) you are arguing for a one world government? If not why not just address the arguments and teh questions? Why play games?
    It was sarcasm directed at your inexplicable misreading of what I said.

    3) It is no such thing. Everyone in America (except according to you -- people on debatepolitics.com) who hears the phrase 'convicted felon' thinks convicted in America of a federal crime.
    That's not really a response to what I said. I said that he has been convicted of a crime that the US considers to be a felony, which makes it understandable that someone would refer to him in passing as a convicted felon.

    If it makes you feel better, substitute "convicted of insider trading" for "convicted felon" when you come across it.

    4) You are assuming now? Why? I will say Soros was singled out by the socialits French you are supporting. Wrongly convicted? A wrong conviction is not a judgement I can make.
    And yet you attack the conviction, saying that it was a bull**** political prosecution. I'm waiting for your explanation of why.

    I'm a liberal, not a conservative,
    You don't say.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

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    What facts, you post an article as was pointed out and then generalize based upon that article that MM has credibility? Not going there with you but suggest you do better research on George Soros and Media Matters before making a total fool of yourself.
    Media Matters was/isd run by the self-admitted liar for the right wing conspiracy that hunted Clinton. This man decided to expose the right wing for what it was doing. He is always going to be suspect because of his past so he has to source everything he says

    When the right wing employed the man his stories were carried in major media but mostly first right wing media, without the kinds of availability of fact checking that MM offers with each charge.

    When I use MM as a source, I check out the links and more. I have seen a few stories I think are biased bs, but they are easily identifiable because MM in their stories, gives me the ability to check their stories out. Very few sources do that much. It's a breath of fresh air.

    Now it may irk you and others that they go after the right. But they admit that is why they were set up in the first place. So what is the beef? You have a beef with exposing lies -- with sources you can follow to judge for yourself? DO you prefer stories with no links?

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    In or out of the United States has nothing to do with the fact that yes, he's a convicted felon.

    Sorry it makes a hero of the left look bad, but there it is. Your silly qualification is ludicrous, desperate, AND transparent.
    I really like what Sosros did with startimg MM, but he is NO hero of mine. YOu must read what I post and not what you think I am postying. I already said I do not liek what he and others who speculate in markets do, but he is NOT alone. His consevative friends are just as creepy.

    But to attack what a guy funds just because I do not like him would demand I explain a lot more. You just seem to hate what MM does, so you keep mentioning MM as if anything Soros does is a reflection on teh sourced content on MM.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    Media Matters was/isd run by the self-admitted liar for the right wing conspiracy that hunted Clinton. This man decided to expose the right wing for what it was doing. He is always going to be suspect because of his past so he has to source everything he says

    When the right wing employed the man his stories were carried in major media but mostly first right wing media, without the kinds of availability of fact checking that MM offers with each charge.

    When I use MM as a source, I check out the links and more. I have seen a few stories I think are biased bs, but they are easily identifiable because MM in their stories, gives me the ability to check their stories out. Very few sources do that much. It's a breath of fresh air.

    Now it may irk you and others that they go after the right. But they admit that is why they were set up in the first place. So what is the beef? You have a beef with exposing lies -- with sources you can follow to judge for yourself? DO you prefer stories with no links?
    I am not going to get into an argument with you over Media Matters and its credibility. I can post article after article that is a half truth or a distortion. I don't put much faith in any right wing or leftwing source as I prefer actual data from non partisan sites like bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Census data, and the U.S. Treasury. Nothing else really matters.

    GW Bush was attacked daily by Media Matters and continues to be attacked to this day by others that want to ignore actual results. I have absolutely no use for George Soros, Media Matters, or any other leftwing source just like I have learned to trust but verify any "rightwing" source. Suggest you do the same thing.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then I guess you really can't see the logical problem with your challenge.


    That's just sad. Spell out, in detail, my attempt at "deception."
    On numerous occasions you have misinterpreted my words (purposefully, it seems) and you have tried to portray me as being something I am not. You have ignored what I said about Soros (negative) and selectively accused me of hero worshipping the man. You try one liners and other lame attempts at deflection and dismissal.

    I have been respectful and honest in this thread. I have asked honest questions and been attacked for being dishonest. I have repeatedly asked you and others(?) to defend attacks on MM. None has so far.

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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    I really like what Sosros did with startimg MM, but he is NO hero of mine. YOu must read what I post and not what you think I am postying. I already said I do not liek what he and others who speculate in markets do, but he is NOT alone. His consevative friends are just as creepy.
    Stay in the now, champ. I said a hero of the left, not a hero of "yours." Unless you yourself encompass the entirety of the left, must you mischaracterize what I say?


    But to attack what a guy funds just because I do not like him would demand I explain a lot more. You just seem to hate what MM does, so you keep mentioning MM as if anything Soros does is a reflection on teh sourced content on MM.
    Where did I bring up MM other than direct response to something YOU said about them? Link to it. Should not be difficult if I "keep" doing it.

    You're having a great deal of difficulty with accuracy here.

    And the fact that Soros is a convicted felon is simply that -- a fact. It isn't an "attack." It's a fact. You may find it an inconvenient fact. You may go to pains to try to dismiss that fact. But it's still a fact.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    On numerous occasions you have misinterpreted my words (purposefully, it seems) and you have tried to portray me as being something I am not. You have ignored what I said about Soros (negative) and selectively accused me of hero worshipping the man. You try one liners and other lame attempts at deflection and dismissal.
    I haven't ignored anything you've said. I've said it's irrelevant, because it is. He's a convicted felon. Your qualification of it is stupid.

    And as I said above, I never said you "hero-worshipped" the man. Not once. If you're going to accuse me of deception, keep boogers out of your own nose.

    And besides, this was in relation to the MM stuff. That's what you were referring to. Now you're trying to say it's about something else, presumably because you know you can't point to any other "deception."

    I have been respectful and honest in this thread. I have asked honest questions and been attacked for being dishonest. I have repeatedly asked you and others(?) to defend attacks on MM. None has so far.
    If you genuinely think you've been "honest," particularly in your lame challenge that someone point out errors in one single MM story that you cherrypicked, and in your lame defense that Soros isn't a convicted felon because he wasn't convicted in the United States, then that explains much.
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    Re: Secretive Republican Donors Are Planning Ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    When this post came up all I saw was a set of dashes:


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    something like the above. The post was empoty of words. I actually mentioned it.


    then I think I re-posted to it later...

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