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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I know you are all about repealing the third.... You commie!
    BTW, Coons did gaffe, no doubt. But it's not as big of a story because he forgot what was in it instead of denying something that was in it was in it. Also, like it or not, she is a media magnet. Coons is milquetoast. It also didn't help her cause that she tried to wrap herself in The Constitution but couldn't remember what the amendments were that her supporters would like repealed. He forgot the specifics, she forgot even the generalities.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'm not sure anyone believes that there is an interpretation "built in" to the Constitution. If it were that easy, would we need judges?

    The Constitution must be interpreted contemporarily. The usual disagreement (in way too general terms) is in whether to base your interpretation on what you think the law meant when it was written, or whether you base your interpretation on what you think makes most sense now. The former gives more power to the people to decide the supreme law of the land (for better or worse), whereas the latter takes a portion of that power and puts it in the hands of a handful of appointed elites (for better or worse).
    I see no debate here. It makes no sense whatsoever to base your interpretation of laws on situations that have no relevance to today.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    BTW, Coons did gaffe, no doubt. But it's not as big of a story because he forgot what was in it instead of denying something that was in it was in it. Also, like it or not, she is a media magnet. Coons is milquetoast. It also didn't help her cause that she tried to wrap herself in The Constitution but couldn't remember what the amendments were that her supporters would like repealed. He forgot the specifics, she forgot even the generalities.


    yeah but if she wasn't cut off she might have explained in context what she meant. As in that link I provided before, there is no actual separation of church and state, it's hair splitting but its not wrong.


    She was cut off, then she retorted and the other dood gaffed as well.

    To me it's a wash, I am not impressed with o'donnell in the least, but the mouth foaming for her while others won't even ACKNOWLEDGE coon's inability to answer reeks of hyper-partisan bullplop.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    It makes no sense whatsoever to base your interpretation of laws on situations that have no relevance to today.
    You make a big error in assuming that the situations under which a law arose "have no relevance to today" simply because they occurred a number of years ago.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You make a big error in assuming that the situations under which a law arose "have no relevance to today" simply because they occurred a number of years ago.
    I make no assumptions one way or the other.

    I feel tempted to go on some spiel about you assuming about me assuming about someone else assuming, but I won't.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    To me it's a wash, I am not impressed with o'donnell in the least, but the mouth foaming for her while others won't even ACKNOWLEDGE coon's inability to answer reeks of hyper-partisan bullplop.
    When discussing your beliefs and accomplishments makes you more unpopular with voters - I suppose there's not much to do but pretend that the opposition are all witches and nazis

    What happened to all those complaints about the "Party of No?"


    Morons were so out of touch, they thought people would be be angered over obstructions to the liberal agenda.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    I make no assumptions one way or the other.

    I feel tempted to go on some spiel about you assuming about me assuming about someone else assuming, but I won't.
    I'm probably just trying to make sense out of something that just doesn't make sense.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    It takes some serious mental gymnastics to assume her saying "That's in the constitution?" directly responding to the establishment clause is somehow about different wording that Coons didn't actually use.

    The only way for the regressives spin on this to make sense is that O'Donnell didn't actually listen to his answer before "repeating her question." Even that's a stretch, because there was this long, incredulous pause before she asked "That's in the constitution?"

    Is there video for Coons' alleged flubbing of the same topic? I didn't see the debate live so didn't see that one.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Of more importance IMO is that she did not know the 16th considering her tax stance instead of the quibbling over the 1st.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Of more importance IMO is that she did not know the 16th considering her tax stance instead of the quibbling over the 1st.
    Her tax stance is bog standard "LOWER TAXES." I don't think I've heard her say we should repeal the 16th.... has she?

    I think her support for having public schools teach religious doctrine is the scary part. She said it's about supporting "the local school board." Five bucks says if a local school wanted to teach children about something Islamic, she would go back to "INDOCTRINATING OUR KIDS." ID? Oh that's ok! Yeah, somehow for her it's ok for the school to teach my kids a religion I don't follow. Christianity gets a pass from her, and many Americans, but would you think the same way if it was Buddhism being taught to your kids?

    It's horse****. Intelligent Design is just Creationism with pseudo-scientific terminology tacked on. There's no scientific basis for Creationism or Intelligent Design. They're religious philosophies. Period. They do not belong in a science classroom. Ever. Calling Intelligent Design a "theory" is deliberately misleading people in an attempt to put it on the same footing as evolution, because when most people say "theory" they really mean "hypothesis." There's an enormous difference.

    Evolution is a scientific theory with a tremendous amount of evidence supporting it. The hardcore religious types might tell you otherwise, they'll spout bull**** about carbon dating being a lie, about how there's no "transitional forms." They're wrong. 100%, unequivocally wrong.

    Want to teach Creationism/ID? Fine. Put it in a philosophy or comparative religions class, and put it along side other cultures'/religions' creation stories. (eastern cultures, norse, greek/roman, etc.) Keep it the **** out of the science class because those things are not in the least bit scientific.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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