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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hey, boneheads, did you even read the quote?
    When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion
    (basically verbatim from 1st amendment)
    As your video makes clear, the reason the AP chose not to quote Coons was because they wanted to make up a story about Coons correctly stating the First Amendment (he didn't) to which O'Donnell replies "that's in the first Amendment?" - a comment she was clearly directing at the reference to "separation of church and state."

    I'm not an O'Donnell fan - but I almost want her to win just because of this kind of crap and all the "gotcha" questions they use to try to make her look dumb.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post


    Hate to break it to you, Rev, but you're not really dropping a huge bombshell on us. I don't think anybody is arguing that the Constitution contains the phrase "separation of church and state."

    That particular phrase actually comes from Thomas Jefferson in his Letter to the Danbury Baptists. Those of you who like divine the Secret Intentions of our Founding Fathers can read into that whatever you like. Frankly, it doesn't matter, because the letter of the Constitution says "establishment" and that is what it is called.

    But if you think that this is the argument O'Donnell had with Coons you are quite mistaken. Watch the video and read the article, it is obvious she is unaware that the "establishment clause" is contained within the First Amendment. It's like she thinks she's catching Coons in a mistake. Spin it all you like, but for objective observers it's clear that what's going on is not an intelligent debate about the meaning of the first amendment.

    It's fascinating that an entire political movement developed for a single phrase by a single president in a letter. Part of this movement seems to think that the abolition of the Christian religion in all places and times is the logical end to that phrase.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    As your video makes clear, the reason the AP chose not to quote Coons was because they wanted to make up a story about Coons correctly stating the First Amendment (he didn't) to which O'Donnell replies "that's in the first Amendment?" - a comment she was clearly directing at the reference to "separation of church and state."

    I'm not an O'Donnell fan - but I almost want her to win just because of this kind of crap and all the "gotcha" questions they use to try to make her look dumb.
    Are we watching the same video?

    How does a debate equate to "gotcha"?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are we watching the same video?

    How does a debate equate to "gotcha"?



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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So for those who say Seperation is not part of the constitution.

    Do you advocate Religious Government then?
    Complete failure of logic. What does one have to do with the other?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yes, you just have your typical blinders on.
    So...basically whenever anyone you support is caught on tape saying something stupid that is considered "gotcha politics"? That is one of those conservative catch phrases like "activist judges" that you guys use when reality just doesn't coincide with what you believe?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Does anyone find it creepy how conservatives droll over our Founders? You'd think that there was no possible way to improve or adapt 240 year old ideas, especially when they aren't actually enshrined in any legal documents.
    Why would you think that there's no possible way to improve the Constitution? Ever hear of an "amendment?"

    What I find creepy is lack of basic education in this country.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So...basically whenever anyone you support is caught on tape saying something stupid that is considered "gotcha politics"? That is one of those conservative catch phrases like "activist judges" that you guys use when reality just doesn't coincide with what you believe?



    No you hack, when you only talk about the one sides gaffe and ignore the follow up gaffe of the opponnent, your gaffe that's gotcha politics.

    Tell me we have 2-3 threads on this already where is the one on.


    O’Donnell was later able to score some points of her own off the remark, revisiting the issue to ask Coons if he could identify the “five freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment.”

    Coons named the separation of church and state, but could not identify the others — the freedoms of speech, press, to assemble and petition — and asked that O’Donnell allow the moderators ask the questions.

    “I guess he can’t,” O’Donnell said.



    Read more: Christine O?Donnell questions separation of church, state - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com


    Your one sided buffoonery betrays you.


    where did I say I supported o'donnell by the way? Make crap up much?
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    No you hack, when you only talk about the one sides gaffe and ignore the follow up gaffe of the opponnent, your gaffe that's gotcha politics.
    Oh, apparantly I missed something. What was the gaffe that Coons made?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh, apparantly I missed something. What was the gaffe that Coons made?


    For the third time since you missed it in the post you are responding too. :

    O’Donnell was later able to score some points of her own off the remark, revisiting the issue to ask Coons if he could identify the “five freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment.”

    Coons named the separation of church and state, but could not identify the others — the freedoms of speech, press, to assemble and petition — and asked that O’Donnell allow the moderators ask the questions.

    “I guess he can’t,” O’Donnell said.



    Read more: Christine O?Donnell questions separation of church, state - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com


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