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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    Would YOU have any problem with Amending the Constituion a lot easier than the prescribed way now (??)
    I'm not sure exactly what it is you're asking me.

    If you're asking me if I want to amend the Constitution, the answer is "not in any concrete way, no." There's no need to. Whatever the Founders "meant" when they wrote the Constitution, they wisely left their interpretations out of the document itself.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Does anyone find it creepy how conservatives droll over our Founders? You'd think that there was no possible way to improve or adapt 240 year old ideas, especially when they aren't actually enshrined in any legal documents.
    As I said, liberals detest the Constitution.

    Consider this: the President of the United States is the most powerful person in the world, and yet, he has no power over you individually, as a citizen, whatsoever.

    If you don't see the genius in that, you are beyond help. And 240 years later, it still stands, where others have been crumpled and trashed.

    Liberals want to crumple it, I understand. Good luck with all that.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    There is no real "separation of church and state", there is an "establishment clause". Read the link then comment intelligently, I won't hold my breath.
    It would appear that O'Donnell didn't even realize there was an "establishment clause" in the Constitution.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As I said, liberals detest the Constitution.

    Consider this: the President of the United States is the most powerful person in the world, and yet, he has no power over you individually, as a citizen, whatsoever.

    If you don't see the genius in that, you are beyond help. And 240 years later, it still stands, where others have been crumpled and trashed.

    Liberals want to crumple it, I understand. Good luck with all that.
    I'm trying to find where you actually addressed anything I said.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    There is no real "separation of church and state", there is an "establishment clause". Read the link then comment intelligently, I won't hold my breath.


    Hate to break it to you, Rev, but you're not really dropping a huge bombshell on us. I don't think anybody is arguing that the Constitution contains the phrase "separation of church and state."

    That particular phrase actually comes from Thomas Jefferson in his Letter to the Danbury Baptists. Those of you who like divine the Secret Intentions of our Founding Fathers can read into that whatever you like. Frankly, it doesn't matter, because the letter of the Constitution says "establishment" and that is what it is called.

    But if you think that this is the argument O'Donnell had with Coons you are quite mistaken. Watch the video and read the article, it is obvious she is unaware that the "establishment clause" is contained within the First Amendment. It's like she thinks she's catching Coons in a mistake. Spin it all you like, but for objective observers it's clear that what's going on is not an intelligent debate about the meaning of the first amendment.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It would appear that O'Donnell didn't even realize there was an "establishment clause" in the Constitution.



    ahh gotcha politics, gotta love dumbing down the discussion.....


    O’Donnell was later able to score some points of her own off the remark, revisiting the issue to ask Coons if he could identify the “five freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment.”

    Coons named the separation of church and state, but could not identify the others — the freedoms of speech, press, to assemble and petition — and asked that O’Donnell allow the moderators ask the questions.

    “I guess he can’t,” O’Donnell said.



    Read more: Christine O?Donnell questions separation of church, state - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com


    Why not 4 threads on this? again hypocritical partisan hacks strike again.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ahh gotcha politics, gotta love dumbing down the discussion.....
    Um...you can watch the video yourself. I didn't realize that recording a debate was considered "gotcha politics".

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Liberals' continued twisting of the intent of the first amendment would be sad, if they weren't so successful in spreading misinformation.

    The key word is "establishment". The founders (Madison) sought to provide a mechanism to prevent what had happened in England. (The Church of England had gained so much power that it had ESTABLISHED itself as basically the court system in England. As such, it controlled law and could change it on the whims of the church's political interests.) The intent was to protect the legislative branch's ability to protect Constitutional law from unforeseen changes or attempts from religious movements to change it.

    That does not change the fact that the Constitution and American law is based on Judao-Christian values. Nor does it ostracize Christianity, or religion in general, from government altogether. It simply doesn't.

    What liberals hate is that the Consitution is also written to protect LIBERALS from changing it as well. LOL. Liberals hate the Constitution because it is a capitalistic manifesto that flies in the face of their big government ideals.
    The Constitution was written by liberals...


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    Hate to break it to you, Rev, but you're not really dropping a huge bombshell on us. I don't think anybody is arguing that the Constitution contains the phrase "separation of church and state."

    That particular phrase actually comes from Thomas Jefferson in his Letter to the Danbury Baptists. Those of you who like divine the Secret Intentions of our Founding Fathers can read into that whatever you like. Frankly, it doesn't matter, because the letter of the Constitution says "establishment" and that is what it is called.

    But if you think that this is the argument O'Donnell had with Coons you are quite mistaken. Watch the video and read the article, it is obvious she is unaware that the "establishment clause" is contained within the First Amendment. It's like she thinks she's catching Coons in a mistake. Spin it all you like, but for objective observers it's clear that what's going on is not an intelligent debate about the meaning of the first amendment.




    Your really didn't do much other than display yourself as a partisan hack, here you are running your mouth on o'donnell, and her opponent did not fare any better. Why the hypocrisy?
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The Constitution was written by liberals...


    We call them "libertarians" today.
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