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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Whats funny is that given she has stated that the Constitution is a covenant (in the religious sense), her not even knowing it is pretty alarmingly hypocritical.
    She knows what she wants it to say, which is close enough for most politicians.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    She knows what she wants it to say, which is close enough for most politicians.
    Truth be told, it doesn't 'say' anything, but is a document that by its nature has to be interpreted. However, interpretations should at least account for what is actually written on the thing.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    It's a painful debate to watch. It's sad when a politician has to ask what the amendments are. Her views on the 16th amendment were interesting was well.



    @7:10 is the comment the OP mentioned.

    There is no doubt that he says, "government shall make no establishment of religion" and she questions it.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    I, being a Republican and a Conservative, think this lady is a ditz. Thankfully, I do not live in her state, so I don't have to worry about who to vote for in this one.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    So for those who say Seperation is not part of the constitution.

    Do you advocate Religious Government then?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Liberals' continued twisting of the intent of the first amendment would be sad, if they weren't so successful in spreading misinformation.

    The key word is "establishment". The founders (Madison) sought to provide a mechanism to prevent what had happened in England. (The Church of England had gained so much power that it had ESTABLISHED itself as basically the court system in England. As such, it controlled law and could change it on the whims of the church's political interests.) The intent was to protect the legislative branch's ability to protect Constitutional law from unforeseen changes or attempts from religious movements to change it.

    That does not change the fact that the Constitution and American law is based on Judao-Christian values. Nor does it ostracize Christianity, or religion in general, from government altogether. It simply doesn't.

    What liberals hate is that the Consitution is also written to protect LIBERALS from changing it as well. LOL. Liberals hate the Constitution because it is a capitalistic manifesto that flies in the face of their big government ideals.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Does anyone find it creepy how conservatives droll over our Founders? You'd think that there was no possible way to improve or adapt 240 year old ideas, especially when they aren't actually enshrined in any legal documents.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    I'm not even going to bother....


    Constitutional Topic: The Constitution and Religion - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


    Read this or don't it's far to in depth for either side here.


    There is no real "separation of church and state", there is an "establishment clause". Read the link then comment intelligently, I won't hold my breath.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Does anyone find it creepy how conservatives droll over our Founders? You'd think that there was no possible way to improve or adapt 240 year old ideas, especially when they aren't actually enshrined in any legal documents.


    Would YOU have any problem with Amending the Constituion a lot easier than the prescribed way now (??)

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Does anyone find it creepy how conservatives droll over our Founders? You'd think that there was no possible way to improve or adapt 240 year old ideas, especially when they aren't actually enshrined in any legal documents.
    Conservatives by their nature are traditionalists, so this is normal for them. In another country, a conservative will proclaim that country's traditions to be superior, even if they are vastly different from the USA's.

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