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    Attn1 Oh no you just didn'!

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Sometimes theories are more popular than others. Plate Tectonics is a popular theory, it doesn't mean it's true or scientists are pushing it as truth.
    What?? Did you really just say that? Good lord! I hate to call you out publicly like this, but you're every bit as bad or worse than the "evolution is just a theory" crowd you claimed had a "lack of brains":

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    O Donnell's lack of brains really shined through on this one.. I hated how she tried to argue it's just a theory, like it shouldn't be taught in a classroom because it's a THEORY.

    Theories are commonly taught in science classrooms.. such as the THEORY of Plate Tectonics (one of my favorite theories). The point of studying scientific theory in a classroom is to learn about the scientific method.
    LOL - you even referenced Plate Tectonics as one of your favority theories. Congratulations, that's just about the most embarrassing thing I've seen on a forum in quite some time.

    Lesson's over.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, science uses logic. No, science is not a "form of logic." You've got a hell of a lot of philosophers rolling over in their graves with that remark.


    None of this refutes the fact that science isn't inherently objective. Objectivity applies to theories as well as facts. If you're not convinced by my little blurb, there are a dozen books on amazon that deal specifically with the failure of the scientific community to accept Wegener's objectively superior alternative theory. Pick one.

    What's more disturbing is your misconception that science is in the business of turning theories into facts. Theories are not "proven." Theories and facts represent different kinds of knowledge. Theories are models of reality used to explain natural phenomena (i.e. facts) and to perhaps make predictions.
    All you have is semantics.. Prove something for once.

    Which philosophers would be rolling over in their graves because I said that?

    Name names... post quotes

    Theories require testing, they can be disproved.. I said nothing to the effect of turning theories into facts. They remain as theories to be improved with facts or fall apart.

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    Re: Oh no you just didn'!

    Plate tectonics is a theory.

    In fact, gravity is a theory.

    Theory just means that it is a hypothesis that has been repetitively tested and has yet to be falsified.

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    Re: Oh no you just didn'!

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What?? Did you really just say that? Good lord! I hate to call you out publicly like this, but you're every bit as bad or worse than the "evolution is just a theory" crowd you claimed had a "lack of brains":


    LOL - you even referenced Plate Tectonics as one of your favority theories. Congratulations, that's just about the most embarrassing thing I've seen on a forum in quite some time.

    Lesson's over.
    You taught me nothing... Go head and post a site or source.

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    Re: Oh no you just didn'!

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Plate tectonics is a theory.

    In fact, gravity is a theory.

    Theory just means that it is a hypothesis that has been repetitively tested and has yet to be falsified.


    I thought the same thing.. and this person is lecturing me that theories aren't facts and that theories are about understanding teh world. If this person thinks Plate Tectonics is a fact, then the discussion is over


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post

    Great. At some level you understand that science is fallible, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not. We can move on.
    Pathetic... just because I said "science doesn't claim to be true or to find the truth as a whole, hence somethings are laws and theory" doesn't mean science is fallible, because science is not failing to meet it's own goals. Science isn't failing to meet it's own principles.. so science isn't fallible by it's own definition of science
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Just in case Taylor comes back

    ... or anybody is interested.. and because I have a self interest in showing how wrong Taylor is still

    This is Arthur A. Meyerhoff.. respected scientist and best know opponent of the theory of Plate Tectonics.. He has accused educational facilities of so called, spoon feeding this theory to pupils with little to no discussion in the classroom.

    His opposition to the plate tectonics concept was indefatigable and made him famous. He saw the flaws and contradictions of plate tectonics. There is something exhilarating about a man going against the main stream of scientific thought and not yielding – providing his objections have substance. Art’s do. At first he was involved in often passionate debate. Later, his writings were often left unanswered – as though science is served by silence.

    By 1988 Art Meyerhoff, with the help of coworkers, had developed an alternate hypothesis called “surge Tectonics.” They suggest that all major features of the earth, including those beneath the sea, are underlain by more or less fluid igneous rocks, which tend to flow parallel to these features. These channels are inter-connected, forming a worldwide hydraulic network. This hypothesis explains a remarkable number of observed earth phenomena. These ideas were published in 1992 by Texas Tech University Press in the book, New Concepts in Global Tectonics, edited by S. Chatterjee and N. Hotton III.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    All you have is semantics.. Prove something for once.

    Which philosophers would be rolling over in their graves because I said that?

    Name names... post quotes
    Wow... take your pick? The statement is so ridiculous I doubt anyone would bother to address it. I can see someone claiming that deduction or abduction are a forms of logic. But science? I may as well be looking for quotes to prove that science isn't a form of writing.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Wow... take your pick? The statement is so ridiculous I doubt anyone would bother to address it. I can see someone claiming that deduction or abduction are a forms of logic. But science? I may as well be looking for quotes to prove that science isn't a form of writing.
    If it's so easy to take a pick, then start naming them off.. Go head, fire away.

    Who wouldn't have a problem with what I said.. Kant and Hegel, and that is off the top of my head. I bet Hegel wouldn't have a problem with it, being he talked a lot about logic and ripping open the pages of history, time is progress and understanding.. don't agree, challenge it

    And the statement wasn't too ridiculous for you to address it. What is ridiculous is you not standing your ground...
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    Re: Oh no you just didn'!

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Plate tectonics is a theory.
    Right

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    In fact, gravity is a theory.
    Iffy

    It's traditionally considered a law as there was no generally accepted theory - but is now subsumed under the general theory of relativity.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Theory just means that it is a hypothesis that has been repetitively tested and has yet to be falsified.
    Wrong

    You may arrive at a theory that way, but that's not what a "theory means." The general theory of relativity did not come about as a "hypothesis that has been repetitively tested."
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