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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but they can control your speech, if it's contrary to company policy. It's just like when a company has a policy that prohibits the possession of a firearm on company property.
    Then they are not the same...

    If you say there is a separation between church and state.. then there is also some separation between the private sector and state.. but it's not exactly the same in both cases. You can say the wall between church and state is a little thicker

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but they can control your speech, if it's contrary to company policy. It's just like when a company has a policy that prohibits the possession of a firearm on company property.
    Not really. They can fire you for making statements contrary to their policy. This is far from controlling ones speech. It's a mutual respect of rights. You have no right to the job. They have no right to tell you what to say. If you are willing to keep your mouth shut they are willing to pay you.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    We could drop evolution entirely and I doubt it would have much of an impact on the nation. There are dozens if not hundreds of topics more important to preparing individuals for success in life.
    The first part of your post is simply astounding in it's ignorance. I am at a loss on how to respond.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    We could drop evolution entirely and I doubt it would have much of an impact on the nation. There are dozens if not hundreds of topics more important to preparing individuals for success in life.

    But - politicians like to discuss evolution. It perks the interests of voters, where Jimmy's inability to read and do basic math at age 10 doesn't.
    Politicians who like to discuss evolution are the ones who bring it into a public political debate. That would be Christian fundamentalists and Christian conservatives, along with a smattering of others of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic strains of faiths.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    I'm sure there are a lot of people who share your view. It's why politicians talk witchcraft and nazis rather than monetary policy and structural deficits.

    Funny thing is, you think it's the "other guy" dumbing things down.
    Avoiding one's past statements is what most demagogues want to do when they are turning on a dime.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Not really. They can fire you for making statements contrary to their policy. This is far from controlling ones speech. It's a mutual respect of rights. You have no right to the job. They have no right to tell you what to say. If you are willing to keep your mouth shut they are willing to pay you.
    Just like an atheist has no right to a job, at a private Catholic school. Thank you for reinforcing my point.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    Politicians who like to discuss evolution are the ones who bring it into a public political debate. That would be Christian fundamentalists and Christian conservatives, along with a smattering of others of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic strains of faiths.
    Then if I read you right, you would have no problem teaching creationism, or Intelligent design right along side with evolution?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just like an atheist has no right to a job, at a private Catholic school. Thank you for reinforcing my point.
    Nobody has a right to a job even in the public sector.. But in the private and public sector employers are still subject to Title VII. Do you think tax dollars should go to religious schools or not? If there is no separation.. then why not send them money?

    It isn't for the reason so they can retain the rights to fire atheists either..

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Nobody has a right to a job even in the public sector.. But in the private and public sector employers are still subject to Title VII. Do you think tax dollars should go to religious schools or not? If there is no separation.. then why not send them money?

    It isn't for the reason so they can retain the rights to fire atheists either..
    Liberals that have taken over the education system would never allow, or admit that their misreading of the establishment clause to allow federal funds to go to religious schools. Their power would disappear, because the fundamental and deliberate distortion of the Constitution is the cornerstone of the survival of liberal progressivism.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but they can control your speech, if it's contrary to company policy. It's just like when a company has a policy that prohibits the possession of a firearm on company property.
    Public and private schools both control speech in terms of education.. so it's not a valid comparison. The private sector also controls speech but unlike private religious schools they are exempt from following many parts of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, applied through the 14th Amendment

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