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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    That's just it. Creationism and Intelligent Design are not religions. They are purported to be (by their proponents) to be science. They would not be in any comparative religion course or in any other course about religion.
    Creationism is not supposed to be a science.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    creation and intelligent design have no place in public schools, period. and i'm a christian.
    Ok... but irrelevant to the argument that was made.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    It is? Methinks you've been snookered. LOL
    really...how so? intelligent design isn't an accepted scientific theory, and creationists believe the earth is 6000 yrs old. that should be taught in science class?
    Last edited by liblady; 10-20-10 at 04:06 PM.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, you're making things up.

    The video you provide as proof explictly says just the opposite - that while the "separation of church and state" concept has been used by the courts in interpreting the constitution, the concept of separation of church and state is NOT in the constitution.

    This is a fact.

    It's no more a "part of the constitution" than the right to an abortion. Such concepts arise from liberal interpretations of the Constitution as a "living document," but are not part of the Constitution itself.
    Weather of not the concept is in the constitution is a philosophical debate.. It depends on what you subjectively believe "separation of church and state" actually means and what they constitution says..

    If you think the establishment clause creates your concept of separation of church and state, then it's your opinion..

    What does separation of church and state mean to you? How does the constitution not support it?

    If you think the SC acted unconstitutionally whenever applying the concept, point it out..
    Last edited by SheWolf; 10-20-10 at 04:07 PM.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Creationism is not supposed to be a science.
    Of course we must define what we are talking about. Creationism as a religious story is one thing. What the Christian Creationists in America were pushing was Creationism as an equal to Evolution. That is not comparative religion. It is competing scientific theories. At least that was the creationists' argument.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Nope. She's arguing that local school districts should be the ones to decide what to teach.

    If you're going to criticize the argument, at least get the argument right.
    Her personal support of ID is very clear.. Her misunderstanding that evolution isn't fact, is also very clear

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Her personal support of ID is very clear.. Her misunderstanding that evolution isn't fact, is also very clear
    personally, i don't care what anybody believes about our origins. but we should stick to what we know as far as school goes. we can teach our kids whatever else we want them to know outside of school........

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    thank you for pointing a few little things like facts out. Homeschooling and religious indoctrinization will harm this nation greatly.
    Whoa! Let's bring this back down to earth, shall we? What a subset of the nation believes with respect to evolution and IT really doesn't matter a hill of beans, and certainly isn't a good metric for discussing the efficacy of homeschooling or our broken school system.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really...how so? intelligent design isn't an accepted scientific theory, and creationists believe the earth is 6000 yrs old. that should be taught in science class?
    you misunderstand:
    Quote Originally Posted by liblady:
    creation and intelligent design have no place in public schools, period. and i'm a christian.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree:

    They don't? When instructing about world religions, it would be improper to have creation stories?

    I'm sure you meant in the science classroom, but just wanting to make sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady:
    thanks for the clarification, yes, of course that's what i meant.
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    there is where I said you'd been snookered. Why?

    because when Fiddy wrote:
    "They don't? When instructing about world religions, it would be improper to have creation stories?"
    Fiddy was wrong.

    As I wrote:
    That's just it. Creationism and Intelligent Design are not religions. They are purported to be (by their proponents) to be science. They would not be in any comparative religion course or in any other course about religion.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Whoa! Let's bring this back down to earth, shall we? What a subset of the nation believes with respect to evolution and IT really doesn't matter a hill of beans, and certainly isn't a good metric for discussing the efficacy of homeschooling or our broken school system.
    If homeschooling teaches Creationism and/or Intelligent Design as equal scientific theories to evolution, then we are in trouble. Many who homeschool may do a good job, but there are whole sects of people out there with issues that go beyond whether or not a public school in their are is failing. Ideological and religious tenets are a poor metric for education.

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