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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    Coons was talking about the FACT of evolution, and O Donnell interrupt him to say, "We'll you just proved not only how little you know about the THEORY of evolution but also about the Constitution." Then she said, "the theory of evolution is indeed a THEORY.

    They were debating two different things. O'Donnell looks like a moron for appearing to not know evolution is BOTH a fact and a theory. Coons said nothing wrong.. He was talking about the fact of evolution.

    If she were better educated on this issue she would have conceded that scientific facts should be taught in school, and the real debate was the theory of evolution. Coons probably baited her into looking like a fool, and she took it: hook line and sinker.

    I bet if some journalist in Delaware goes up to O'Donnell and asks her, "Is evolution a fact?" she would say no.. and then when it hit the national news she'd say it was a gotcha question. O'Donnell would be a victim of a lamestream media..




    She is arguing it shouldn't be taught as a theory unless ID is being taught as a theory... problem is, one is a scientific theory and the other is not. Again, it leads me to believe she doesn't know the basics about the scientific method.

    If she understood the scientific method.. she wouldn't be tricked by Coon's saying evolution is a fact, and she wouldn't have a problem with teaching ID in a non scientific setting.. It is not a science, it can't be tested.

    It's valid to study scientific theory in a science classroom, it always has been..


    how ironic
    thank you for pointing a few little things like facts out. Homeschooling and religious indoctrinization will harm this nation greatly.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    She is arguing it shouldn't be taught as a theory unless ID is being taught as a theory... problem is, one is a scientific theory and the other is not. Again, it leads me to believe she doesn't know the basics about the scientific method.
    Nope. She's arguing that local school districts should be the ones to decide what to teach.

    If you're going to criticize the argument, at least get the argument right.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    Nope. She's arguing that local school districts should be the ones to decide what to teach.

    If you're going to criticize the argument, at least get the argument right.
    creation and intelligent design have no place in public schools, period. and i'm a christian.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

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    Nope. She's arguing that local school districts should be the ones to decide what to teach.

    If you're going to criticize the argument, at least get the argument right.
    A phantom opponent in a bogus argument? Who if anyone, ever said anyone but local government gets to decide what is taught? Does a Federal Dept of Education set curriculum?

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    creation and intelligent design have no place in public schools, period. and i'm a christian.
    They don't? When instructing about world religions, it would be improper to have creation stories?

    I'm sure you meant in the science classroom, but just wanting to make sure.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They don't? When instructing about world religions, it would be improper to have creation stories?

    I'm sure you meant in the science classroom, but just wanting to make sure.
    thanks for the clarification, yes, of course that's what i meant.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They don't? When instructing about world religions, it would be improper to have creation stories?

    I'm sure you meant in the science classroom, but just wanting to make sure.
    That's just it. Creationism and Intelligent Design are not religions. They are purported to be (by their proponents) to be science. They would not be in any comparative religion course or in any other course about religion.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thanks for the clarification, yes, of course that's what i meant.
    It is? Methinks you've been snookered. LOL

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    O'Donnell's camp is now saying the concept of separation of church and state is in the constitution. She was only pointing out the Constitution doesn't say it explicitly, which I think is rather pointless to debate if you value the concept.

    YouTube - Constitutional Clash in Del. Senate Debate
    Again, you're making things up.

    The video you provide as proof explictly says just the opposite - that while the "separation of church and state" concept has been used by the courts in interpreting the constitution, the concept of separation of church and state is NOT in the constitution.

    This is a fact.

    It's no more a "part of the constitution" than the right to an abortion. Such concepts arise from liberal interpretations of the Constitution as a "living document," but are not part of the Constitution itself.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    He wasn't talking about some subset of observations or mechanisms, he was talking about evolution in general... "evolution is a fact"
    Evolution isn't a subset of observations and mechanisms.. Evolutionary science is a well respected science and it is very in depth and rich in concepts. Evolutionary science offers explanations of millions of years of phenomena and serves as scientific platform to make educated predictions about the future. Evolution is fact. The theory of evolution is theory.
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