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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not surprised at all that Coons didn't know what he was talking about, but I was more concerned with a room full of people and a moderator who apparently didn't know either. The supreme court ruling of separation of church and state started with a Jefferson letter in the early 1800's and wasn't put into effect until 1947 Supreme court ruling - which interpreted the 1st amendment in a 5-4 ruling. The folks who are stupid are the one's who didn't know what the 1st amendment says nor the intent of it.

    What's creepy is that Democrats generally want to change the meaning of the Consitution and remold it to their ideological views... questioning the meaning of words and rearranging them to fit their progressive mantra. They take an oath to uphold the Consitution, but they really don't want to nor do many know what it says. Too bad O"Donnell didn't have a Sen. Byrd sized pocket constitution available. She was right.
    So two candidates, neither are overly familiar with the Constitution. Guess they kind of cancel each other out.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I've never read this article. Great minds think alike!
    Anyway, "bearded Marxist" came from a joke that Coons' friends told about him. He "went to Africa a conservative and came back a bearded Marxist." Coons didn't actually call himself that, and he doesn't at all fit the definition of a Marxist.
    I don't get the joke....


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    So two candidates, neither are overly familiar with the Constitution. Guess they kind of cancel each other out.
    Probably so.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Didn't you just make the point on the last page that "there is the fact of evolution and the theory of evolution?"

    I guess if you're going to call O'Donnell stupid for saying it's a theory, you'll agree that Coons is "stupid" too for thinking it's a fact.


    Coons was talking about the FACT of evolution, and O Donnell interrupt him to say, "We'll you just proved not only how little you know about the THEORY of evolution but also about the Constitution." Then she said, "the theory of evolution is indeed a THEORY.

    They were debating two different things. O'Donnell looks like a moron for appearing to not know evolution is BOTH a fact and a theory. Coons said nothing wrong.. He was talking about the fact of evolution.

    If she were better educated on this issue she would have conceded that scientific facts should be taught in school, and the real debate was the theory of evolution. Coons probably baited her into looking like a fool, and she took it: hook line and sinker.

    I bet if some journalist in Delaware goes up to O'Donnell and asks her, "Is evolution a fact?" she would say no.. and then when it hit the national news she'd say it was a gotcha question. O'Donnell would be a victim of a lamestream media..


    Where did she argue that it "shouldn't be taught in a classroom because it's a THEORY"? What's the timestamp for that line?
    She is arguing it shouldn't be taught as a theory unless ID is being taught as a theory... problem is, one is a scientific theory and the other is not. Again, it leads me to believe she doesn't know the basics about the scientific method.

    If she understood the scientific method.. she wouldn't be tricked by Coon's saying evolution is a fact, and she wouldn't have a problem with teaching ID in a non scientific setting.. It is not a science, it can't be tested.

    It's valid to study scientific theory in a science classroom, it always has been..
    I wish you'd apply some of that to what you write.
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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    O'Donnell's camp is now saying the concept of separation of church and state is in the constitution. She was only pointing out the Constitution doesn't say it explicitly, which I think is rather pointless to debate if you value the concept.

    YouTube - Constitutional Clash in Del. Senate Debate

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I don't get the joke....
    Coons credits his change to liberalism to time spent in Africa. It was an in-joke among his friends, and he used it in the title of an article (or something) that he wrote.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Coons was talking about the FACT of evolution, and O Donnell interrupt him to say, "We'll you just proved not only how little you know about the THEORY of evolution but also about the Constitution." Then she said, "the theory of evolution is indeed a THEORY.
    He wasn't talking about some subset of observations or mechanisms, he was talking about evolution in general... "evolution is a fact"

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    So two candidates, neither are overly familiar with the Constitution. Guess they kind of cancel each other out.
    Really? Not seeing that COD was out of her league? One was more familiar than the other. Much more familiar. Being able to quote a full text is not in anyway comparable to COD's raising an issue about the 1st amendemdment, while not knowing that the etsablishment clasue was in the amendment she was raising as an issue.

    What Cons did was not be able to quote the full amendment. He was aware of what they were discussing, the separation of church and state and it's existence or not in the Constitution.

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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    O'Donnell's camp is now saying the concept of separation of church and state is in the constitution. She was only pointing out the Constitution doesn't say it explicitly, which I think is rather pointless to debate if you value the concept.

    YouTube - Constitutional Clash in Del. Senate Debate
    she's an idiot. most of us know that.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church, State in Senate Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    O'Donnell's camp is now saying the concept of separation of church and state is in the constitution. She was only pointing out the Constitution doesn't say it explicitly, which I think is rather pointless to debate if you value the concept.

    YouTube - Constitutional Clash in Del. Senate Debate
    Really? The concept, the principle, the implied reasoning....so Coons was correct and COD was clueless?

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