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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Because we're not winning against a ragtag bunch of loosely allied fighters.

    I've said this before.
    So? These people beat Alexander, and the U.S.S.R. to name some. And as I've said before, you can't beat an enemy like this overnight; it takes the better part of a productive decade to start beating them, and a few generations to call the victory decisive.

    You're ignoring the object realities of the situation; it is impossible to win this type of war quickly, and "decisively" as you said.
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    How can we possibly be better than any army in the world at fighting guerrilla wars when we haven't won one?
    Name a country that has won/beaten a guerilla insurgency.
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Name a country that has won/beaten a guerilla insurgency.
    Without death squads? I've never heard of one.

    You seem to think the fact that nobody has ever done it without mass-murder means that we're doing good to be doing as good as we are.

    I'm sticking to the fact that we haven't won, which means we're no good at it.

    We can invent all kinds of neato tactical toys, come up with all sorts of innovative training, but we can't beat these guys. That doesn't mean we suck, just that we suck at this.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Without death squads? I've never heard of one.

    You seem to think the fact that nobody has ever done it without mass-murder means that we're doing good to be doing as good as we are.

    I'm sticking to the fact that we haven't won, which means we're no good at it.

    We can invent all kinds of neato tactical toys, come up with all sorts of innovative training, but we can't beat these guys. That doesn't mean we suck, just that we suck at this.
    Seriously, please stop ignoring what I'm telling you. As I've told you countless times already, you can't win this fight overnight, it requires a long-term committment. We haven't been in the war long enough to win it yet, as literally as that gets. A counter-insurgency mission takes generations, because you have to defeat ignorance in the populace, and that requires long-term development. The schools we've built/are building haven't been around long enough to teach a someone who enters one in preschool/kindergarten, and graduates from high school, or something similar to that.

    How can you expect this war to have been over by now?
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Name a country that has won/beaten a guerilla insurgency.
    From a tactical point of view, the United States is the only one.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Without death squads? I've never heard of one.

    You seem to think the fact that nobody has ever done it without mass-murder means that we're doing good to be doing as good as we are.

    I'm sticking to the fact that we haven't won, which means we're no good at it.

    We can invent all kinds of neato tactical toys, come up with all sorts of innovative training, but we can't beat these guys. That doesn't mean we suck, just that we suck at this.
    That comes as no surprise, there. Ever hear of Vietnam?
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You essentially said we're having a hard time because this enemy isn't fighting like our enemies of the past.

    In other words, you just said we're having a hard time fighting a guerrilla war.



    Oh, brother.
    Never said we are having a, "hard time", only that it's more time consuming, fighting this kind of enemy.



    Okay, so you know absolutely nothing about the Swiss military. That's cool. I just happen to have a special interest in what happens in Switzerland is all.
    Well, by all means, educate me. I await with baited breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Seriously, please stop ignoring what I'm telling you. As I've told you countless times already, you can't win this fight overnight, it requires a long-term committment. We haven't been in the war long enough to win it yet, as literally as that gets. A counter-insurgency mission takes generations, because you have to defeat ignorance in the populace, and that requires long-term development. The schools we've built/are building haven't been around long enough to teach a someone who enters one in preschool/kindergarten, and graduates from high school, or something similar to that.

    How can you expect this war to have been over by now?
    Believe it or not, I don't expect it to have been over by now.

    Our military is not, nor has it been for well over a couple of hundred years, an organization of guerrilla fighters.

    I'm convinced that there's a better way to do it and that we haven't found it yet. My feeling is that, until we do, we should stay the hell out of situations like this.

    For crying out loud, if we can figure out how to split the atom, I think we could figure out how to be further along than we are after seven years of this kind of warfare. We just haven't yet.

    Ergo, we're not good at this sort of thing.

    I'm not saying I look at war like I look at microwave dinners, just that after several years and thousands of casualties, we've made way too little progress to rate ourselves as skilled in this kind of combat.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That comes as no surprise, there. Ever hear of Vietnam?
    We didn't win Vietnam.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, by all means, educate me. I await with baited breath.
    Honestly, I don't think I can keep having a serious discussion with someone who thinks we won Vietnam. Sorry.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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