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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's a historical fact, that Allied Forces brought down so much pain on the German people that Facism is illegal. The, "zeig heil", thing? Yeah, it's a crime to execute that salute. We should have brought down the same amount of pain in Iraq and Afghanistan, so as to make, "al Qaeda", a dirty word.

    If you can't handle historical relevancy, then prhaps you should find something else to do with your spare time, other than debating politics online.
    What you're leaving out is that, by and large, individual soldiers serving under the Nazi flag had all sorts of uniforms, decals, equipment, and a bunch of other things identifying them as Nazi soldiers.

    The insurgents do no such thing.

    The only way to bring down that kind of hurt on them would be to indiscriminately slaughter civilians alongside the insurgents, thus manufacturing more insurgents as we go.

    Ergo, a terrible comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We do? Please, show how we suck at it. Can't wait to hear how you explain to us how American soldiers suck at defeating the enemy.
    Iraq.

    There, that was fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you'll support a pre-emptive strike by any president--regardless of political persuasion--based on the intel that he has at that time? Be honest!
    Honestly, not all the time. If the threat is the kind of thing where to make a mistake is to mean the certain death of hundreds of thousands of Americans (nuclear of biological attack) then definitely. If not, then definitely not -- there are more intelligent ways to handle that kind of threat than beating them to the punch.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, you've said it, but you've never once--that I've seen--taken a Right Wing stance on anything.
    If you haven't seen me do it, that's really not my fault. It's happened often enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Judging from your monicker, I'm guessing you're a big time 2nd Amendment guy, but I think that's where you're Right Wing'ness ends.
    My moniker has nothing whatsoever to do with my politics, but I appreciate the effort.

    I simultaneously believe the Constitution was one of the best governmental structures ever invented, and that it had just as many flaws as the founders that put it together.

    I think we need a much smaller government, but I also think we need to work our way there.

    I think that the Republicans and Democrats are equally to blame for the mess we're in, and I'm sick and tired of the two major parties getting away with having a veritable monopoly on political power from coast to coast.

    I don't think the Tea Party movement is the answer to that conundrum, but I applaud the sentiment.

    Ta-da!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I'm saying that it's not a matter of tactics BECAUSE it's an occupation, you halfwit.

    At any rate, the word "occupation" is really, really not some sort of "anti-war leftist phrase". It is in full military parlance, and it is the correct term for the 2003-2010 period of American involvement in Iraq.

    There were no staged battles, there were no front lines, there wasn't even an opposing army -- insurgents fought against occupying American and NATO troops -- thus making it an occupation. This is really not up for debate.
    While I agree with you, I'd thank you not to do this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    you halfwit
    It's one thing to call someone a liar if in fact they are lying. It's another to insult them.

    You are contributing to the very cancer that eats away at the political discourse on this board every day.

    I'm not saying I never do, but I'm trying to fix that. I'd appreciate it if you'd try too.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "Occupation", is just another one of those catch phrases the anti-war leftists use to poorly attempt to make some kinda point at, whatever
    Oh those lefties at the dictionary...

    ocˇcuˇpaˇtion audio (ky-pshn) KEY

    NOUN:

    1.
    1. An activity that serves as one's regular source of livelihood; a vocation.
    2. An activity engaged in especially as a means of passing time; an avocation.
    2.
    1. The act or process of holding or possessing a place.
    2. The state of being held or possessed.

    3.
    1. Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces.
    2. The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory.
    occupation - Definition of occupation at Define.com Dictionary and Thesaurus (define occupation)

    occupation

    noun

    1: the principal activity in your life that you do to earn money; "he's not in my line of business" [syn: {business}, {job}, {line of work}, {line}]

    2: the control of a country by military forces of a foreign power [syn: {military control}]

    3: any activity that occupies a person's attention; "he missed the bell in his occupation with the computer game"

    4: the act of occupying or taking possession of a building; "occupation of a building without a certificate of occupancy is illegal" [syn: {occupancy}, {taking possession}, {moving in}]

    5: the period of time during which a place or position or nation is occupied; "during the German occupation of Paris"
    Yeah... the dictionary is full of lefties... and so are 1940s newspapers about the German occupation....



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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    What you're leaving out is that, by and large, individual soldiers serving under the Nazi flag had all sorts of uniforms, decals, equipment, and a bunch of other things identifying them as Nazi soldiers.

    The insurgents do no such thing.

    The only way to bring down that kind of hurt on them would be to indiscriminately slaughter civilians alongside the insurgents, thus manufacturing more insurgents as we go.

    Ergo, a terrible comparison.
    So, when Allied bombers bombed Bremen, Berlin, Stuttgart, Whihelmshlavin, Munich and Dresden created more Nazis, or did it tear down morale?

    Perfect comparison, actually.



    Iraq.

    There, that was fast.
    oh, please, be more specific about how our soldiers did a crappy job of fighting the insurgents.



    Honestly, not all the time. If the threat is the kind of thing where to make a mistake is to mean the certain death of hundreds of thousands of Americans (nuclear of biological attack) then definitely. If not, then definitely not -- there are more intelligent ways to handle that kind of threat than beating them to the punch.
    So, as long as we can, "absorb an attack"--in the words of The One--we should turn the other cheek?



    If you haven't seen me do it, that's really not my fault. It's happened often enough.
    Name one!





    I simultaneously believe the Constitution was one of the best governmental structures ever invented, and that it had just as many flaws as the founders that put it together.

    I think we need a much smaller government, but I also think we need to work our way there.

    I think that the Republicans and Democrats are equally to blame for the mess we're in, and I'm sick and tired of the two major parties getting away with having a veritable monopoly on political power from coast to coast.

    I don't think the Tea Party movement is the answer to that conundrum, but I applaud the sentiment.

    Ta-da!
    Yeah, whatever! Which Obama policies do you oppose? Again, name one!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh those lefties at the dictionary...



    occupation - Definition of occupation at Define.com Dictionary and Thesaurus (define occupation)



    Yeah... the dictionary is full of lefties... and so are 1940s newspapers about the German occupation....



    No, no. I think it's you who is wrong.
    If it weren't for online dictionaries, you wouldn't be able to compose a single post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    While I agree with you, I'd thank you not to do this:



    It's one thing to call someone a liar if in fact they are lying. It's another to insult them.

    You are contributing to the very cancer that eats away at the political discourse on this board every day.

    I'm not saying I never do, but I'm trying to fix that. I'd appreciate it if you'd try too.
    Fair enough, you're absolutely right. Sometimes, emotion gets the best of all of us, eh?

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Fair enough, you're absolutely right. Sometimes, emotion gets the best of all of us, eh?
    Square on. Good man.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it weren't for online dictionaries, you wouldn't be able to compose a single post.
    Wow, is that really the best comeback you've got for how wrong you were?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Wow, is that really the best comeback you've got for how wrong you were?
    I wasn't wrong. Sorry for ya's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, when Allied bombers bombed Bremen, Berlin, Stuttgart, Whihelmshlavin, Munich and Dresden created more Nazis, or did it tear down morale?

    Perfect comparison, actually.
    No, it's really not, because that was what most people would consider "traditional" warfare. This is guerrilla warfare. We don't lower the morale of the enemy if citizens get caught in the crossfire -- we turn civilians into eager combatants.

    Just like if someone did it to us.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    oh, please, be more specific about how our soldiers did a crappy job of fighting the insurgents.
    We haven't won yet, not by a long shot.

    It's not because our soldiers aren't good, but because we're not good at this kind of warfare.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, as long as we can, "absorb an attack"--in the words of The One--we should turn the other cheek?
    Show me where I said anything such thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Name one!
    Wait, so now it's on me if you haven't been paying attention to my posts. Oh, no. If you want to accuse me of something, it's on you to prove it.

    I won't do your homework for you. Especially not after I clearly outlined the basics of my political beliefs.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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