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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Exactly.
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Chances are there were no defections only deceptions involved here. It is taught to all who follow Islam that the use of deception is not only permissible but encouraged in pursuit of their goals.

    It is naive and could be damn stupid to ever fall for the BS that some Islamic group is moderate or peaceful right after or during a conflict involving their sect or group call it what you like.

    I truly believe there is NO such thing as a lasting peaceful solution when dealing with the CULT that is Islam.

    As I see it there are two choices.

    #1. Beat the enemy down enough reduce there threat outside of there borders and enforce a strict embargo on anything that could used or made into something that could be used as a weapon and contain them 100% by use of what ever force is required, mostly drones and heavily armed and armored border controls.

    #2. Annihilate the enemy to a man. But that might raise a few eyebrows in the World community.

    This means we have one choice unless some controlling forces within Iraq step up and miraculously become effective and take solid control.

    As an incentive I believe we need to give the current Gov, Leadership the word in no uncertain terms what we expect and when we expect it and no more of this wishful thinking like President George W. Bush or coming at everything from a position of weakness and Appeasement like Obama has done.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Yeah, I don't see the point in wrapping the country or our soldiers in bubble wrap.

    The only responsible thing to do is bring the resistance in Iraq to its knees, and then either rule it directly or install a ruler in line with our interests.
    Isn't that pretty much how we got Hussein in th 1st place?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Because the military occupation was going just splendidly.
    Well, tactically speaking, the enemy was getting his ass handed to him. So...yes.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Your idiotic invocation of Godwin aside, you can't compare the Nazis to the insurgents simply because the Nazis weren't fighting a guerrilla war and the insurgents are.
    I didn't Godwinize anything. I only gave you an historical comparison, which to go by.

    The problem isn't killing the enemy. The problem is locating the enemy.
    True, an enemy that hides among the population is harder to find. That just means that it will take a little longer to find him, but when we do, we hit him with an extreme amount of violence, killing him and anyone that supports him.



    The same way we recognized the threat that was used to justify the invasion to begin with, I guess.

    In other words, neither!
    IOW, you don't have a single clue as what to do; only your Liberal posturing?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I didn't Godwinize anything. I only gave you an historical comparison, which to go by.
    Sure, sure, whatever you say. It was a terrible comparison designed to evoke a particular emotional response. Godwin.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    True, an enemy that hides among the population is harder to find. That just means that it will take a little longer to find him, but when we do, we hit him with an extreme amount of violence, killing him and anyone that supports him.
    A little longer? It's been several years, and we still suck at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you don't have a single clue as what to do
    No -- with good old-fashioned intelligence, the way we catch a lot of things -- both real and imagined. Ergo, you catch them neither before nor after they kill Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    only your Liberal posturing?
    As I have both said and demonstrated on a number of occasions, I am not a liberal. Please stop lying about me.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Sure, sure, whatever you say. It was a terrible comparison designed to evoke a particular emotional response. Godwin.
    No, it's a historical fact, that Allied Forces brought down so much pain on the German people that Facism is illegal. The, "zeig heil", thing? Yeah, it's a crime to execute that salute. We should have brought down the same amount of pain in Iraq and Afghanistan, so as to make, "al Qaeda", a dirty word.

    If you can't handle historical relevancy, then prhaps you should find something else to do with your spare time, other than debating politics online.



    A little longer? It's been several years, and we still suck at it.
    We do? Please, show how we suck at it. Can't wait to hear how you explain to us how American soldiers suck at defeating the enemy.



    No -- with good old-fashioned intelligence, the way we catch a lot of things -- both real and imagined. Ergo, you catch them neither before nor after they kill Americans.
    So, you'll support a pre-emptive strike by any president--regardless of political persuasion--based on the intel that he has at that time? Be honest!



    As I have both said and demonstrated on a number of occasions, I am not a liberal. Please stop lying about me.
    Ok, you've said it, but you've never once--that I've seen--taken a Right Wing stance on anything. Judging from your monicker, I'm guessing you're a big time 2nd Amendment guy, but I think that's where you're Right Wing'ness ends.
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, tactically speaking, the enemy was getting his ass handed to him. So...yes.
    Tactics win battles, strategy wins wars. An occupation is a long-term large-scale conflict, which most people simply call "war". Tactics mean nothing in an occupation.

    Nobody is denying that the military invasion in 2003 went splendidly -- unequal warfare almost always ends with a quick declaration of victory from the more powerful aggressor. But it then gives way to occupation, which is often disastrous for the more powerful aggressor.

    So, then, no, the occupation was not going splendidly.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Tactics win battles, strategy wins wars. An occupation is a long-term large-scale conflict, which most people simply call "war". Tactics mean nothing in an occupation.
    Well, if this a question of tactics, then it not actually an, "occupation".

    Nobody is denying that the military invasion in 2003 went splendidly -- unequal warfare almost always ends with a quick declaration of victory from the more powerful aggressor. But it then gives way to occupation, which is often disastrous for the more powerful aggressor.
    The low level of violence, is the reason for the insurgency.

    So, then, no, the occupation was not going splendidly.
    "Occupation", is just another one of those catch phrases the anti-war leftists use to poorly attempt to make some kinda point at, whatever.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, if this a question of tactics, then it not actually an, "occupation".



    The low level of violence, is the reason for the insurgency.



    "Occupation", is just another one of those catch phrases the anti-war leftists use to poorly attempt to make some kinda point at, whatever.
    I'm saying that it's not a matter of tactics BECAUSE it's an occupation, you halfwit.

    At any rate, the word "occupation" is really, really not some sort of "anti-war leftist phrase". It is in full military parlance, and it is the correct term for the 2003-2010 period of American involvement in Iraq.

    There were no staged battles, there were no front lines, there wasn't even an opposing army -- insurgents fought against occupying American and NATO troops -- thus making it an occupation. This is really not up for debate.

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