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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Believe it or not, I don't expect it to have been over by now.

    Our military is not, nor has it been for well over a couple of hundred years, an organization of guerrilla fighters.

    I'm convinced that there's a better way to do it and that we haven't found it yet. My feeling is that, until we do, we should stay the hell out of situations like this.

    For crying out loud, if we can figure out how to split the atom, I think we could figure out how to be further along than we are after seven years of this kind of warfare. We just haven't yet.

    Ergo, we're not good at this sort of thing.

    I'm not saying I look at war like I look at microwave dinners, just that after several years and thousands of casualties, we've made way too little progress to rate ourselves as skilled in this kind of combat.
    Oh, okay I get what you're saying, that makes sense. But at the same time, you have to remember, especially in Afghanistan, we didn't have the political willpower to fully commit ourselves to beating the insurgency. When you look at levels of insurgent activity after our troop surge under Pres. Bush, we did a lot of good, but before that, we did a half-assed job of it.

    There really isn't doubt in my mind that the troops and engineers could successfully win the war in say 15 to 20 years, but that would require full committment, and would result in no violence.
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    We didn't win Vietnam.
    From a tactical perspective, we did.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Oh, okay I get what you're saying, that makes sense.
    I think I get where you're coming from, too. You're taking the Heinz approach -- which is not a bad one, by the way, seeing as how it's the best we've got at present.

    I happen to think we should be able to improve upon what we can do now. A lot.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From a tactical perspective, we did.


    Oh, brother.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Honestly, I don't think I can keep having a serious discussion with someone who thinks we won Vietnam. Sorry.
    That's because you one of those folks that think we lost the war on the battlefield, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post


    Oh, brother.
    Please, tell us how we were defeated, on the battlefield, by the North Vietnamese.
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think I get where you're coming from, too. You're taking the Heinz approach -- which is not a bad one, by the way, seeing as how it's the best we've got at present.

    I happen to think we should be able to improve upon what we can do now. A lot.
    So, what is the, "Heinz approach"?
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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what is the, "Heinz approach"?
    It's a reference to catsup.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Please, tell us how we were defeated, on the battlefield, by the North Vietnamese.
    Let me answer your question with a question:

    A grand master and a player of moderate skill sit down for a game of chess. The game ends in a stalemate -- the grand master with a king and two bishops and the other with just his king.

    Who won?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Iraqi Sunnis Trained by U.S. Return to al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's a reference to catsup.
    IOW, it's totally irrelevant to the current discussion, as to battlefield tactics. Yes?


    Still waiting for your disertation on how we lost Vietnam on the battlefield. Can't wait for that!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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