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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Multiculturalism works in Canada. I'm not saying there are no problems but

    It's always cons or neo-cons who say it doesn't work. Germany's problem is that the system is actively shutting out the Muslims (mainly Turks) because the privileged class wants to keep it that way; and who does the privileged class mostly consist of? Conservatives. If you want integration to happen then some must rise to become part of the aristocracy, otherwise they will just become second class citizens. But this isn't just about that... even on a basic work force level, there is systemic prejudice.

    Enclaves happen because cultures have to stick together for survival reasons, and that partially happens because the system is not welcoming enough.

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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Merkel is talking to her party, she is moving to defend her leadership against internal complaints that she isn't right-wing enough.
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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Multiculturalism works in Canada. I'm not saying there are no problems but

    It's always cons or neo-cons who say it doesn't work. Germany's problem is that the system is actively shutting out the Muslims (mainly Turks) because the privileged class wants to keep it that way; and who does the privileged class mostly consist of? Conservatives. If you want integration to happen then some must rise to become part of the aristocracy, otherwise they will just become second class citizens. But this isn't just about that... even on a basic work force level, there is systemic prejudice.

    Enclaves happen because cultures have to stick together for survival reasons, and that partially happens because the system is not welcoming enough.
    You get people in enclaves because multiculturalism puts people in boxes of what culture they belong to.
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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    I'm curious what it means to be German when no two Germans need have anything in common with each other.

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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

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    QUOTE=Orion;1059044264]Multiculturalism works in Canada. I'm not saying there are no problems but
    No, it is not working iin Canada, Orion and I'm Canadian also. Unless Canada's policies towards Immigration soon change dramatically, or we fail to stick to the traditional rights we inherited from our forefathers, then we'll have the same problems as Europe. As evidence we can already see curtailments in place regarding free speech, a free press, and assembly.
    It's always cons or neo-cons who say it doesn't work.
    Or anyone with functioning powers of observation.
    Germany's problem is that the system is actively shutting out the Muslims (mainly Turks) because the privileged class wants to keep it that way; and who does the privileged class mostly consist of? Conservatives. If you want integration to happen then some must rise to become part of the aristocracy, otherwise they will just become second class citizens. But this isn't just about that... even on a basic work force level, there is systemic prejudice.
    I guess we have them in Canada too, folks.

    Enclaves happen because cultures have to stick together for survival reasons, and that partially happens because the system is not welcoming enough.
    Democracies have always accepted immigrants but it is part of the immigrants responsibility to adapt somewhat to their host country's culture, traditions and laws. Saying it is all the fault of the hosts is silly. It's wise to follow the "when in Rome" adage or resentments, and worse, tend to follow.

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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Merkel is talking to her party, she is moving to defend her leadership against internal complaints that she isn't right-wing enough.
    A politician listening to her constituents does appear to make some sense. What would your alternative be?

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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    You get people in enclaves because multiculturalism puts people in boxes of what culture they belong to.
    That's exactly right, Mikhail.

    Canadians, as we once knew Canadians and their culture to be, no long exist. We are now hyphenated Canadians, as in French Canadian, Chinese Canadian, and so on. This was the fastest way to destroy the Canadian culture that had previously existed, and which had welcomed peoples of all types from all over the world.

    Now Canadians are viewed by politicians, among others, as various ethnic voting blocks and will openly court one against the other. Multicultural means that anything is acceptable, there are no standard or norms, and everything a country once stood for, believed in, and took pride in, crumbles away to nothing as a result.

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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's exactly right, Mikhail.

    Canadians, as we once knew Canadians and their culture to be, no long exist. We are now hyphenated Canadians, as in French Canadian, Chinese Canadian, and so on. This was the fastest way to destroy the Canadian culture that had previously existed, and which had welcomed peoples of all types from all over the world.

    Now Canadians are viewed by politicians, among others, as various ethnic voting blocks and will openly court one against the other. Multicultural means that anything is acceptable, there are no standard or norms, and everything a country once stood for, believed in, and took pride in, crumbles away to nothing as a result.
    Which Canadian culture was that? The one that existed in rural Quebec, or the one that exists in Newfoundland, or perhaps that up north in the NWT. There has never been one Canadian culture, but many cultures, the main thing holding Canada togethe was and is the common set of laws that should apply equally
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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I don't see how Merkel's scare tactic to help her keep power in an ever-liberalising Germany is an offense worthy of hatred of all Europeans.

    In fact, I can't really think of anything that warrants hatred of all Europeans.

    That just sounds like base bigotry to me.
    You are very confused as to what the term "liberal" means.

    Multiculturalism runs counter to liberalism, because it enshrines extremely illiberal practices as sacrosanct. Actual Liberalism is about individual rights, whereas multiculturalism demands that the violations thereof must be overlooked in certain populations as long as such violations are an ingrained aspect of such populations.

    Multiculturalism = hypocrisy.
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    Re: Merkel says German multiculturalism has failed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You are very confused as to what the term "liberal" means.

    Multiculturalism runs counter to liberalism, because it enshrines extremely illiberal practices as sacrosanct. Actual Liberalism is about individual rights, whereas multiculturalism demands that the violations thereof must be overlooked in certain populations as long as such violations are an ingrained aspect of such populations.

    Multiculturalism = hypocrisy.
    Depends on what you mean by multiculturalism


    Typically in Canada it means being able to practice any cultural traditions you wish to, provided they do not break the law or the charter of rights. The laws themselves have to be in line with the charter of rights as well.\


    So a woman can choose to wear a hijab all she wants, and be within the law, but if her husband forced her to wear it, it would and is illegal. A person can go to temple all they want, or read books in Yiddish, or speak in Yiddish all day long, and it would be fine

    It is very liberal to accept people having different cultural practices as long as they still abid by the same set of laws that everyone else does, provided those laws are not discriminatory in nature
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