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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    Well, if the Feds decide to pick on California for a matter that just became law, they're going to end up with a coastal state with a craptacular highway system. California won't be able (or for that matter, willing necessarily) to mobilize to reverse itself before things fall apart worse than they already have.

    Dumb both for the state and for the country, but I guess that's never stopped the Feds before...
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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    You want a drug to make illegal. Alcohol. As an EMT I see what is does and its awful. Marijuana is almost non existant as far as violent crimes are concerned. I have never used it but it appears you just get the munchies and want to be everyones friend.

    I dont know how we can allow tobaco and alchohal legal and Marijuana illegal. It is just silly.

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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who is going to pay for all the new junkies that are created?
    who pays for all of t he alcoholics.

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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    I suppose the people fighting hardest against legalizing pot are the people currently profiting from it today. That would be the big growers, organized crime, testing labs, and the US government, which has invested heavily in bodies and equipment in its War on Drugs.

    Who really profits from drug prohibition?

    Organized Crime.

    According to the United Nations, drug trafficking is a $400 billion per year industry, equaling 8% of the world's trade. By empowering organized criminals with enormous profits, prohibition stimulates violence, corrupts governments at all levels, and erodes community order.

    Arms manufacturers, the prison industry, and other special interest groups.

    * Anti-drug aid to other nations often comes in the form of military assistance. This year's National Drug Control Budget, for example, includes $452 million to provide Blackhawk helicopters to the Colombian military to fight coca cultivation. Sikorsky Aircraft Corp., the exclusive manufacturer of the helicopters, lobbied heavily in favor of an escalation of aid to Colombia.

    * With the overall prison population at roughly 2 million, nearly 500,000 of whom are drug law violators, federal and state governments have been forced to build an ever increasing number of prisons to house what former drug czar Barry McCaffrey has called "America's internal gulag."

    * Drug testing is a lucrative industry with a strong interest in perpetuating drug war hysteria. It is estimated that the United States spends $1 billion annually to drug test about 20 million of our workers, in spite of research demonstrating the high cost and low effectiveness of this assault on American privacy.

    Corrupt Law Enforcement.


    * A 1998 report by the General Accounting Office notes: …several studies and investigations of drug-related police corruption found on-duty police officers engaged in serious criminal activities such as (1) conducting unconstitutional searches and seizures; (2) stealing money and/or drugs from drug dealers; (3) selling stolen drugs; (4) protecting drug operations; (5) providing false testimony; and (6) submitting false crime reports.

    * The same study found that on average, half of all police officers convicted as a result of FBI-led corruption cases between 1993 and 1997 were convicted for drug-related offenses. --Economic Consequences of the War on Drugs

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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    You want a drug to make illegal. Alcohol. As an EMT I see what is does and its awful. Marijuana is almost non existant as far as violent crimes are concerned. I have never used it but it appears you just get the munchies and want to be everyones friend.

    I dont know how we can allow tobaco and alchohal legal and Marijuana illegal. It is just silly.


    There is no recorded actual case of anyone ever overdosing on pot and dying. If you smoke or eat too much in brownie form you simply go to sleep. I've seen it plenty of times.

    I don't see the Feds being all that busy going after people in California hell they would have made thousands of arrests in the past few years for Medical pot sales but they only went after a few.

    The new California law will include some kind of mark or stamp or some identifying system to show the tax was paid and your pot must be in an official container so I suggest you make one legal purchase then go back to your regular source and use the legal container until it wears out to avoid paying the ridiculous tax.

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    I suppose the people fighting hardest against legalizing pot are the people currently profiting from it today. That would be the big growers, organized crime, testing labs, and the US government, which has invested heavily in bodies and equipment in its War on Drugs.
    Legalizing will not effect the underground sales at all.

    I am not a user and do not advocate the use on any currently illegal substances ever.
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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

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    Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana | TuscaloosaNews.com





    This has me fuming. I really question just what kind of freedom we have if I can't even enjoy a harmless joint without facing prison time. Polls indicate that Prop. 19 may very well pass so it will be interesting to see how the DEA acts.

    Hopefully Obama will tell them to back off like he did with medical Marijuana. If the DEA goes ape **** and wastes billions of tax payer dollars on fighting the inevitable then I am gonna be upset.
    I can't stand Eric Holder; he is by far my least favorite member of Obama's cabinet. Is it too much to ask that JUST ONCE we get a competent attorney general? Janet Reno, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, and now Eric Holder have all been ****ing horrible. Of the recent attorneys general, only Michael Mukasey has been competent (if unimpressive)...and he wasn't there very long.

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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who is going to pay for all the new junkies that are created?
    You do not know what a junkie is. Please stop using the word. Now.
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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    No need, Marijuana is non-addictive and does not create junkies.
    Hey look, people posting inaccurate and incorrect information again. Yes, Marijuana very much can be addictive.

    As to creating "junkies" this is a subjective term that can change from one to the other.

    In regards to this, I hope the federal government backs off and lets California go...OR they try to stomp it out and that causes a national uprising for this on a federal level.

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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who is going to pay for all the new junkies that are created?
    Hey! Why do new junkies get all the attention? What about those of us who were weed junkies long before it became cool? Nobody paid for US before it was legalized, so why are you willing to give more to these newbie, fad following junkies, APDST?

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    Re: Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

    The junkie BS comes from the uninformed who buy into the lies that have been told about pot since it was first made illegal back in the early 1900s.

    It was outlawed because of racism. Here's a little history for those who didn't already know this. By the way there were once laws stating you had to grow marijuana.

    I think it's best to deal in facts and these are a few facts an a link to more. Shock and amaze your friends with your knowledge that the Mormons use of the devil weed helped get it banned. Too much.

    Why is Marijuana Illegal? - Drug WarRant

    The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp “plantations” (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.

    In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing’s army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.

    One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”

    However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church’s reaction to this may have contributed to the state’s marijuana law.

    Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.

    When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”

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