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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    And, as long as someone else brought up guns and the court, lets look at some liberal judicial hinky-pinky

    KOPEL: Sotomayor targets guns now - Washington Times

    Re: McDonald v Chicago: Sotomayor's dissent contradicts confirmation testimony

    The Breyer-Sotomayor-Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissent urged that Heller be overruled and declared, "In sum, the Framers did not write the Second Amendment in order to protect a private right of armed self defense."

    Contrast that with her Senate testimony: "I understand the individual right fully that the Supreme Court recognized in Heller." And, "I understand how important the right to bear arms is to many, many Americans."

    Yet her McDonald opinion shows her "understanding" that those many, many Americans are completely wrong to think they have a meaningful individual right.

    To the Senate Judiciary Committee, Justice Sotomayor repeatedly averred that Heller is "settled law." The Associated Press reported that Sen. Mark Udall, Colorado Democrat, "said Sotomayor told him during a private meeting that she considers the 2008 ruling that struck down a Washington, D.C., handgun ban as settled law that would guide her decisions in future cases."
    -Why did Sotomayor lie about her position on the 2nd?

    -What regard do you suppose Sotomayor will have for Heller and McDonald when the issue of the 2nd returns to the SCotUS?

    And the big question...
    -Will liberals consider a future court where Sotomayor is part of a majority that overturns these issues of "settled law" an example of Judicial Activism?
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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Scalia.
    This makes no sense whatsoevr

    I don't agree with you, so I'm wilfully ignorant. Why am I wilfully ignorant?
    No.. you're willfully ignorant because you -choose- to see no inconsistency, as that's the only way a thinking person could NOT see the inconsistency.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Because you are unable to articulate a valid reason for opposing something in one instance, and not opposing it in another identical instance? That's what they call hypocrisy.


    Tim-
    I don't have a problem with any of these rulings or scenarios. Have I missed something?
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    PA -

    Careful now.. Obamacare did exactly the same thing, not only that, but it also bought the votes to get it through congress. By the way, who do you think the electorate, is? Do you think the electorate wanted Obamacare?

    Boo - RE: Democratic majority

    I'm not seeing how we disagree here?


    Tim-
    I don't see how we disagree either, to be honest. I will say that Obama passed the bill going through proper channels, and I think the discussion about Obamacare's validity from a "majority rules" perspective ends there. Whether or not it's constitutional is another issue.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And, as long as someone else brought up guns and the court, lets look at some liberal judicial hinky-pinky

    KOPEL: Sotomayor targets guns now - Washington Times

    Re: McDonald v Chicago: Sotomayor's dissent contradicts confirmation testimony



    -Why did Sotomayor lie about her position on the 2nd?

    -What regard do you suppose Sotomayor will have for Heller and McDonald when the issue of the 2nd returns to the SCotUS?

    And the big question...
    -Will liberals consider a future court where Sotomayor is part of a majority that overturns these issues of "settled law" a example of Judicial Activism?
    If the 2nd is overturned, Sotomayer will learn real quick why the "framers" thought the second was a good idea!

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    PA -

    Careful now.. Obamacare did exactly the same thing, not only that, but it also bought the votes to get it through congress. By the way, who do you think the electorate, is? Do you think the electorate wanted Obamacare?

    Boo - RE: Democratic majority

    I'm not seeing how we disagree here?


    Tim-
    Not sure yet if we do. But the quote I responded to was about what a majority wanted, voted for. Hence my response and example.

    Not sure health care reform violates any consititutional laws, but that too will be settled in court. And if someone doesn't like a ruling, the common approach is to call it activism instead of going over the baisis for the ruling. Like stated above, I don't buy it as activisim.

    As for what the people want, most of what is the bill, people do want. Two things skew the polling today:

    1) Misinformation.

    And

    2) Not understanding that getting what want, things like coving those with pre-existing conditions covered requires changes, hence the mandate.

    Like too many issues today, reasoned discourse too often slides into the hyperbolic and too often, factually challeneged.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This makes no sense whatsoevr


    No.. you're willfully ignorant because you -choose- to see no inconsistency, as that's the only way a thinking person could NOT see the inconsistency.
    Oh, gotcha.

    This is the "I'm right because I'm right because I'm right" argument.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    If the 2nd is overturned, Sotomayer will learn real quick why the "framers" thought the second was a good idea!
    GWB may have done several things wrong, but he unqustionably got it right when he picked his justices.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    If the 2nd is overturned, Sotomayer will learn real quick why the "framers" thought the second was a good idea!

    Tim-
    It won't happen in the US. But I do wish they'd clear up the langauge a little and rewrite the admendment. Just to make it more clear. But that would mean somoene certainly wouldn't liek the rewrite.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Oh, gotcha.
    This is the "I'm right because I'm right because I'm right" argument.
    Think so?
    Show that the positions are consistent.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure yet if we do. But the quote I responded to was about what a majority wanted, voted for. Hence my response and example.

    Not sure health care reform violates any consititutional laws, but that too will be settled in court. And if someone doesn't like a ruling, the common approach is to call it activism instead of going over the baisis for the ruling. Like stated above, I don't buy it as activisim.

    As for what the people want, most of what is the bill, people do want. Two things skew the polling today:

    1) Misinformation.

    And

    2) Not understanding that getting what want, things like coving those with pre-existing conditions covered requires changes, hence the mandate.

    Like too many issues today, reasoned discourse too often slides into the hyperbolic and too often, factually challeneged.
    Ah, I see, so we may disagree on some of the finer points, but concerning what is, and what is not judicial activism, we seem to agree.


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