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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    this week democrat governor phil bredesen of tennessee came out with a book that blasts obamacare as a "stunning disappointment"

    “The problem was expanding coverage is about all we did.”

    It’s “about all we did,” because Bredesen thinks that expanded entitlement saddles an already burdened federal government drowning in red ink with additional – and expensive – obligations.

    “Government loves complexity, rules and red tape, but we may have outdone ourselves this time,” Bredesen writes. “Reform offered a chance to clean up the baroque system we have created over the years, reduce bureaucracy, lower administrative cost and give clarity and focus to a major part of where we spend our taxpayers’ money.

    “Instead, we created more complexity, more regulations and the need for more bureaucracy.”
    Dem Governor: Obamacare a ‘Stunning Disappointment’ - By Daniel Foster - The Corner - National Review Online

    we've known for a year and a half that the gubs of almost all our states have objected vociferously to the obamacare expanion of medicaid by some 12 million with NO FEDERAL FUNDING

    the states are already bankrupt and THIS is how obnoxious obama reaches HIS payfor---you guys can just pick em all up

    indeed, speaking for once superstars bill richardson, christine gregoire, brian schweitzer and bill ritter, governor bredesen has repeatedly called this imposition upon the 50, "the mother of unfunded mandates"

    as to this ruling, topic of the op, judge vinson actually criticized the doj's reasoning as "alice in wonderland"

    Judge disses Dems' 'Alice in Wonderland' health defense - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

    his honor takes issue with the doj's argument that the fine to be imposed on those caught breathing without insurance is a TAX and therefore the proper purview of the fed

    ahab obama, on the other hand, spent 2 years chasing his whale, telling us all the while that the fine was NOT a tax

    judge vinson sided with the campaign and not the briefs, he ruled the fine was a PENALTY and therefore must clear the commerce clause

    alice in wonderland, curiouser and curiouser

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Yes lets go back to the old ways of health care, it was much better back then. Seriously, shouldn't we at the very least see how this works out before calling for it to be overturned.
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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Yes lets go back to the old ways of health care, it was much better back then. Seriously, shouldn't we at the very least see how this works out before calling for it to be overturned.
    That would be reasonable. Hell, we could even work to improve it as we go. Again, reasonable. But, I'm not sure we can really expect reasonablness today. Sadly.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that they'd rather sue than change what they don't like through the ballot.
    Come back and talk about the ballot after November 3rd.
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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The health care issue is turning me into an anti-federalist. Weird.

    Actually, it is instilling anti-federalist sentiments. Anti-federalism is too impractical to be a viewpoint I would espouse, regardless of how I felt.
    Not sure I understand, but never get the idea that the Federalists were for BIG government. Sure there were some bigger than others, but not even close to the extent espoused by modern progressivism. All Founders were for maximum liberty.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Yes lets go back to the old ways of health care, it was much better back then. Seriously, shouldn't we at the very least see how this works out before calling for it to be overturned.
    I don't know. Shouldn't we at the very least see how Arizona's new immigration law works out before calling (and suing) for it to be overturned?

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The law has to mediate practicality with principle. Practicality enables the law to function in a plurality of situations, but principle confers the legitimacy necessary for it to to be obeyed. Principle is supported by precedents (preceding examples), and the health care reform rests on top of legal precedents that proceeded from the long instituted principle of federalism, which is why the judge only goes so far to say as it is, "plausible," that a line has been crossed, not 'obvious' or 'indisputable'. If there was something about federalism that opponents of health care reform affirmed, then for the sake of supporting the principle of the matter, they would have to accept health care reform. Not because they like it, or because they think it will function properly, but because it is consistent with the principle they affirmed.
    I think that's a bit simplistic.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR
    Yes lets go back to the old ways of health care, it was much better back then. Seriously, shouldn't we at the very least see how this works out before calling for it to be overturned.
    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I don't know. Shouldn't we at the very least see how Arizona's new immigration law works out before calling (and suing) for it to be overturned?
    That's completely different, and you know it. Shame on you.

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Because our elected officials do something our reactionary elements don't like, and what do they do? They don't try and win hearts and minds to change the law, no! They decide to use the courts to subvert democracy.
    You mean like Roe v Wade?
    You mean like the CA court overtunring Prop 8?

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    Re: Judge allows states' healthcare suit to proceed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You mean like Roe v Wade?
    You mean like the CA court overtunring Prop 8?
    Oh ho ho, two wrongs make a right, do they?

    It's interesting to see the invective hurled at our judiciary by conservatives until they have need of it.

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